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	<title>Comments on: AAA to CCC and Other Rating Agency Horror Stories</title>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/08/aaa-to-ccc-and-other-rating-agency.html#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlawfulcombattant,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What I have read suggests that many institutions have not remarked their positions on their books, the logic being something like &quot;Yes, we know the price is wrong, but we don&#039;t have a better price, so let&#039;s not do anything till we have to.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But as you point out, for many institutions, a rating going below BBB- (the bottom of investment grade) will force them to sell. For others, a serious downgrade requires the to hold more capital against it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Big downgradings like this will force sale, which will force price discovery for at least some paper.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the rating agencies are trying to walk a fine line between trying to restore the credibility of their ratings vs. downgrading so much so fast that they put the markets into a tailspin. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But even one rerating of this magnitude calls everything they have done into question. Which begs another question:  let&#039;s say they rerate other paper not this far down, but say 4-5 rating grades, rather than the usual one or at most 2.  That too would raise serious doubts about all the paper they haven&#039;t re-examined yet.  But will they have credibility if they don&#039;t change the ratings very much?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can see what a complete mess this is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlawfulcombattant,</p>
<p>What I have read suggests that many institutions have not remarked their positions on their books, the logic being something like &#8220;Yes, we know the price is wrong, but we don&#8217;t have a better price, so let&#8217;s not do anything till we have to.&#8221;</p>
<p>But as you point out, for many institutions, a rating going below BBB- (the bottom of investment grade) will force them to sell. For others, a serious downgrade requires the to hold more capital against it.</p>
<p>Big downgradings like this will force sale, which will force price discovery for at least some paper.</p>
<p>I think the rating agencies are trying to walk a fine line between trying to restore the credibility of their ratings vs. downgrading so much so fast that they put the markets into a tailspin. </p>
<p>But even one rerating of this magnitude calls everything they have done into question. Which begs another question:  let&#8217;s say they rerate other paper not this far down, but say 4-5 rating grades, rather than the usual one or at most 2.  That too would raise serious doubts about all the paper they haven&#8217;t re-examined yet.  But will they have credibility if they don&#8217;t change the ratings very much?</p>
<p>You can see what a complete mess this is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: unlawflcombatnt</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/08/aaa-to-ccc-and-other-rating-agency.html#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>unlawflcombatnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since many pension funds are not allowed to hold anything less than AAA-rated bonds, won&#039;t this force them to sell these newly down-graded bonds, demonstrating their true mark-to-&lt;b&gt;market&lt;/b&gt; value, while exposing the overvaluation of their mark-to-&lt;b&gt;model&lt;/b&gt; prices? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The market-value repricing of only a few securities should bring down ratings of other bonds, whose prices are still determined only by mark-to-model valuation.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems this market-price discovery, by even a trickle of market exposure, would cause more sales, followed by still further revaluation to mark-to-market prices.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Doesn&#039;t this scenario seem likely?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.unlawflcombatnt.proboards84.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Economic Populist Forum&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since many pension funds are not allowed to hold anything less than AAA-rated bonds, won&#8217;t this force them to sell these newly down-graded bonds, demonstrating their true mark-to-<b>market</b> value, while exposing the overvaluation of their mark-to-<b>model</b> prices? </p>
<p>The market-value repricing of only a few securities should bring down ratings of other bonds, whose prices are still determined only by mark-to-model valuation.  </p>
<p>It seems this market-price discovery, by even a trickle of market exposure, would cause more sales, followed by still further revaluation to mark-to-market prices.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this scenario seem likely?</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.unlawflcombatnt.proboards84.com" REL="nofollow">Economic Populist Forum</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say AAA,&lt;br/&gt;I say CCCU,&lt;br/&gt;Let&#039;s call the whole thing off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say AAA,<br />I say CCCU,<br />Let&#8217;s call the whole thing off!</p>
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