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	<title>Comments on: Scary Words From Martin Wolf: End of Global Imbalances</title>
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		<title>By: Estragon</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/09/scary-words-from-martin-wolf-end-of.html#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>Estragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Global imbalances have become as fundamental to the operation of the world economy as the Gulf Stream is to the climate, and changes in it would produce a similar level of disruption&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interesting analogy.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s a critical flaw in the analogy though, in that the gulf stream is a cyclic process by which heat is moved around the planet, but without resulting in the accumulation of heat in any particular place.  The money convector, in contrast, leaves a buildup of debt in one place and a buildup of excess reserves in another.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In other words, the gulfstream is a self-correcting system, whereas the debtstream is an unsustainable buildup of forces which are liable to unwind violently.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A better analogy might be a thunderstorm.  If the pressures equalize sooner rather than later, we get a bit of rain and wind, but we&#039;re okay otherwise.  If the pressures build to far though, we get hurricanes and tornadoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Global imbalances have become as fundamental to the operation of the world economy as the Gulf Stream is to the climate, and changes in it would produce a similar level of disruption&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting analogy.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a critical flaw in the analogy though, in that the gulf stream is a cyclic process by which heat is moved around the planet, but without resulting in the accumulation of heat in any particular place.  The money convector, in contrast, leaves a buildup of debt in one place and a buildup of excess reserves in another.</p>
<p>In other words, the gulfstream is a self-correcting system, whereas the debtstream is an unsustainable buildup of forces which are liable to unwind violently.  </p>
<p>A better analogy might be a thunderstorm.  If the pressures equalize sooner rather than later, we get a bit of rain and wind, but we&#8217;re okay otherwise.  If the pressures build to far though, we get hurricanes and tornadoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aron Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Wolf&#039;s article brings to mind this classic op-ed piece about the dangers of &quot;global imbalances&quot; from former Fed Chair Paul Volcker:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An Economy On Thin Ice&lt;br/&gt;Washington Post, April 10, 2005&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38725-2005Apr8.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38725-2005Apr8.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Volcker wrote: &quot;under the placid surface, there are disturbing trends: huge imbalances, disequilibria, risks -- call them what you will. Altogether the circumstances seem to me as dangerous and intractable as any I can remember ...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t know whether change will come with a bang or a whimper, whether sooner or later. But as things stand, it is more likely than not that it will be financial crises rather than policy foresight that will force the change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Wolf&#8217;s article brings to mind this classic op-ed piece about the dangers of &#8220;global imbalances&#8221; from former Fed Chair Paul Volcker:</p>
<p>An Economy On Thin Ice<br />Washington Post, April 10, 2005<br /><a HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38725-2005Apr8.html" REL="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38725-2005Apr8.html</a></p>
<p>Volcker wrote: &#8220;under the placid surface, there are disturbing trends: huge imbalances, disequilibria, risks &#8212; call them what you will. Altogether the circumstances seem to me as dangerous and intractable as any I can remember &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know whether change will come with a bang or a whimper, whether sooner or later. But as things stand, it is more likely than not that it will be financial crises rather than policy foresight that will force the change.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d add this article as a departure from the norm.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://counterpunch.org/roberts09122007.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;American Economy: R.I.P.  By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-A-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d add this article as a departure from the norm.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://counterpunch.org/roberts09122007.html" REL="nofollow">American Economy: R.I.P.  By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS</a> </p>
<p>-A-</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re at the end of a period of time where demand exceeded supply. This is why houses sold for prices far above what they could be built for, and commodities such as copper sell for several multiples of the cost of production. The US consumer has lost access to the cheap credit that has been fuelling the high global demand. If a seamless transition to another global consumer cannot be made, house and commodity prices will fall, and no, a 50% reduction in prices across the board is not out of the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re at the end of a period of time where demand exceeded supply. This is why houses sold for prices far above what they could be built for, and commodities such as copper sell for several multiples of the cost of production. The US consumer has lost access to the cheap credit that has been fuelling the high global demand. If a seamless transition to another global consumer cannot be made, house and commodity prices will fall, and no, a 50% reduction in prices across the board is not out of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: The Prudent Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Prudent Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off Topic: Just wanted to say that this a very good blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off Topic: Just wanted to say that this a very good blog.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“a sharp decline in house prices and the related fall in home-building that could lead to an economy-wide recession”. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But housing prices have become unaffordable.  To a large extent the problem we&#039;re having in the financial markets is that housing prices got too high, so Americans borrowed on a wing and a prayer to afford the house they thought they deserved.  Housing prices need to correct, by as much as dividing by 2.  Sure, you can keep housing prices up to &quot;avoid recession&quot;, but this is favoring the old over the young, the house owner (who is already greatly favored in the tax code) over the renter.  And in the end, it probably wouldn&#039;t work anyway. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There was a time when recessions happened and didn&#039;t threaten economic catastrophe.  Because of Greenspan, this is no longer the case, because everyone is so leveraged that the first whiff of recession may send the entire pyramid of cards crashing down.  Continuing this game is a fool&#039;s gambit.  (I&#039;ve used this metaphor before, but think of a recession as a forest fire.  It&#039;s awful, but it burns up all the dry tinder, so that the next forest fire won&#039;t be so bad.  Not fighting a forest fire looks like a waste - think of all those trees - but eventually it&#039;s become standard policy, because over the long-term it&#039;s better.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But, let&#039;s continue this idea about global imbalances.  If the U.S. consumer consumes less, then either other countries will step to the plate and consume more, and buy American products, thereby softening the impact of the lower American consumption.  Or they won&#039;t; and maybe we should just have economies where consumption is less, with global warming and peak oil and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“a sharp decline in house prices and the related fall in home-building that could lead to an economy-wide recession”. </p>
<p>But housing prices have become unaffordable.  To a large extent the problem we&#8217;re having in the financial markets is that housing prices got too high, so Americans borrowed on a wing and a prayer to afford the house they thought they deserved.  Housing prices need to correct, by as much as dividing by 2.  Sure, you can keep housing prices up to &#8220;avoid recession&#8221;, but this is favoring the old over the young, the house owner (who is already greatly favored in the tax code) over the renter.  And in the end, it probably wouldn&#8217;t work anyway. </p>
<p>There was a time when recessions happened and didn&#8217;t threaten economic catastrophe.  Because of Greenspan, this is no longer the case, because everyone is so leveraged that the first whiff of recession may send the entire pyramid of cards crashing down.  Continuing this game is a fool&#8217;s gambit.  (I&#8217;ve used this metaphor before, but think of a recession as a forest fire.  It&#8217;s awful, but it burns up all the dry tinder, so that the next forest fire won&#8217;t be so bad.  Not fighting a forest fire looks like a waste &#8211; think of all those trees &#8211; but eventually it&#8217;s become standard policy, because over the long-term it&#8217;s better.)</p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s continue this idea about global imbalances.  If the U.S. consumer consumes less, then either other countries will step to the plate and consume more, and buy American products, thereby softening the impact of the lower American consumption.  Or they won&#8217;t; and maybe we should just have economies where consumption is less, with global warming and peak oil and all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I read this comment by economist and money manager John Hussman on Monday and I think that it dovetails nicely with Mr. Wolf&#039;s thoughts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.hussman.net/wmc/wmc070910.htm&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for the article.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers,&lt;br/&gt;Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Yves,</p>
<p>I read this comment by economist and money manager John Hussman on Monday and I think that it dovetails nicely with Mr. Wolf&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hussman.net/wmc/wmc070910.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hussman.net/wmc/wmc070910.htm</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the article.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Paul</p>
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