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	<title>Comments on: WSJ: Wide of the Mark on Valuation Difficulties</title>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>russell120,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I did some poking around and can&#039;t find anything that suggests that the CMO problems played a major role in Kidder&#039;s sale. In fact, the acquisition had been an ongoing embarrassment for GE, starting with Mary Seigel&#039;s conviction for insider trading. GE had been shopping the firm for some time and had had a deal with Primerica fall through in 1992.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t judge how big a role the CMO debacle played, but Kidder &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902E1DE1431F93AA25757C0A962958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=print&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reported losses of only $25 million related to Askins&lt;/a&gt;,  while the Jett-related reversals of phantom profits were $350 million (the lower number I found above may have been the after tax effect).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Keep in mind that the loss of CMO underwriting volume would represent a very large reduction in profit. In 1994, most underwritings, except for &quot;bought deals,&quot; which were generally restricted to big name, highly rated corporate bond issues, were pre-sold during a &quot;book building&quot; period.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also recall, but couldn&#039;t find any links to support it, that Kidder was very highly geared in those days.  That would make sense if it had had a period of underperformance and trying to goose its returns via leverage. The article link above does say there were rumors of fixed income losses that Kidder denied, and it&#039;s much easier to get into trouble if you are using tons of leverage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reading it that the Jett affair was the straw that broke the camel&#039;s back, and induced GE to be more willing to lower its price expectations  for a Kidder sale.</description>
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<p>I did some poking around and can&#8217;t find anything that suggests that the CMO problems played a major role in Kidder&#8217;s sale. In fact, the acquisition had been an ongoing embarrassment for GE, starting with Mary Seigel&#8217;s conviction for insider trading. GE had been shopping the firm for some time and had had a deal with Primerica fall through in 1992.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t judge how big a role the CMO debacle played, but Kidder <a HREF="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902E1DE1431F93AA25757C0A962958260&#038;sec=&#038;spon=&#038;pagewanted=print" REL="nofollow">reported losses of only $25 million related to Askins</a>,  while the Jett-related reversals of phantom profits were $350 million (the lower number I found above may have been the after tax effect).</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the loss of CMO underwriting volume would represent a very large reduction in profit. In 1994, most underwritings, except for &#8220;bought deals,&#8221; which were generally restricted to big name, highly rated corporate bond issues, were pre-sold during a &#8220;book building&#8221; period.  </p>
<p>I also recall, but couldn&#8217;t find any links to support it, that Kidder was very highly geared in those days.  That would make sense if it had had a period of underperformance and trying to goose its returns via leverage. The article link above does say there were rumors of fixed income losses that Kidder denied, and it&#8217;s much easier to get into trouble if you are using tons of leverage.</p>
<p>My reading it that the Jett affair was the straw that broke the camel&#8217;s back, and induced GE to be more willing to lower its price expectations  for a Kidder sale.</p>
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		<title>By: russell120</title>
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		<dc:creator>russell120</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have half the story on Kidder.  They were also involved in the David Askins 1884 meltdown. This disaster occurred virtually simultaneously with the Joseph Jett Scandal. This meltdown was the first collapse of the Collateralized Mortgage Obligation (CMO) market which Kidder dominated at the time.  In the first quarter of 1994 CMO  under writings had been averaging about $1 billion a day.  By the end of 1994 they were virtually zero(0).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have half the story on Kidder.  They were also involved in the David Askins 1884 meltdown. This disaster occurred virtually simultaneously with the Joseph Jett Scandal. This meltdown was the first collapse of the Collateralized Mortgage Obligation (CMO) market which Kidder dominated at the time.  In the first quarter of 1994 CMO  under writings had been averaging about $1 billion a day.  By the end of 1994 they were virtually zero(0).</p>
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