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	<title>Comments on: Fed&#8217;s Gary Stern Makes Lame Arguments Against Increased Credit Market Regulation</title>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 4:21 PM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you read Stern&#039;s speech, he wasn&#039;t merely discouraging &quot;draconian regulatory overreaction,&quot; he was discouraging anything more than token action. He urged policymakers to be &quot;extraordinarily careful in addressing perceived inadequacies in the current environment.&quot;  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Perceived&lt;/i&gt; inadequacies? He is taking the position that &lt;i&gt;nothing is wrong&lt;/i&gt;.  That says he thinks virtually no change is warranted, and the rest of his speech supports that view.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to Fed actions, you make an interesting point. I looked on the FFIEC website. The only press release that had &quot;subprime&quot; in the short description was January 3, 2003:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council (Council) announced today that the four federal banking agencies have decided not to proceed with a proposal to collect data on subprime consumer lending programs in the quarterly regulatory reports filed by banks and savings associations.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So it appears that the FFIEC does not regard these new policies to be significant enough to merit being highlighted in a press release. By contrast, quite a few actions relative to Hurricane Katrina were featured.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you have something that suggests otherwise, please send a link.  I would like to see what the changes were.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For better or worse, my view has been colored by the fact that the Fed got chewed out before Congress to use its powers under HOEPA to rein in subprime activity among the banks it regulates (by contrast, the OCC did) and that Bernanke&#039;s response to this snowballing  credit crisis has been to think solely about monetary policy, and not to consider regulatory remedies (in my view, small changes are not going to have much impact).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You might also look at a post about a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/05/disturbing-conversation-with-fed.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;conversation I had with the Fed official&lt;/a&gt; who prepped Roger Cole for his testimony before Congress.  I had been pretty sympathetic to the Fed prior to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon of 4:21 PM,</p>
<p>If you read Stern&#8217;s speech, he wasn&#8217;t merely discouraging &#8220;draconian regulatory overreaction,&#8221; he was discouraging anything more than token action. He urged policymakers to be &#8220;extraordinarily careful in addressing perceived inadequacies in the current environment.&#8221;  </p>
<p><i>Perceived</i> inadequacies? He is taking the position that <i>nothing is wrong</i>.  That says he thinks virtually no change is warranted, and the rest of his speech supports that view.</p>
<p>As to Fed actions, you make an interesting point. I looked on the FFIEC website. The only press release that had &#8220;subprime&#8221; in the short description was January 3, 2003:</p>
<p><i>The Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council (Council) announced today that the four federal banking agencies have decided not to proceed with a proposal to collect data on subprime consumer lending programs in the quarterly regulatory reports filed by banks and savings associations.</i></p>
<p>So it appears that the FFIEC does not regard these new policies to be significant enough to merit being highlighted in a press release. By contrast, quite a few actions relative to Hurricane Katrina were featured.</p>
<p>If you have something that suggests otherwise, please send a link.  I would like to see what the changes were.  </p>
<p>For better or worse, my view has been colored by the fact that the Fed got chewed out before Congress to use its powers under HOEPA to rein in subprime activity among the banks it regulates (by contrast, the OCC did) and that Bernanke&#8217;s response to this snowballing  credit crisis has been to think solely about monetary policy, and not to consider regulatory remedies (in my view, small changes are not going to have much impact).</p>
<p>You might also look at a post about a <a HREF="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/05/disturbing-conversation-with-fed.html" REL="nofollow">conversation I had with the Fed official</a> who prepped Roger Cole for his testimony before Congress.  I had been pretty sympathetic to the Fed prior to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Stern is saying that a draconian regulatory overreaction would only exacerbate the problems it was intended to cure.  Some say the Fed prolonged what would have been a short term market correction in 1929 into the Great Depression by reducing the money supply.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And considering the five or so regulatory guidances on subprime lending that FRB has issued through its role on the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council I&#039;m not sure its strictly accurate to say the Fed has done nothing in regard to the subprime lending crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stern is saying that a draconian regulatory overreaction would only exacerbate the problems it was intended to cure.  Some say the Fed prolonged what would have been a short term market correction in 1929 into the Great Depression by reducing the money supply.  </p>
<p>And considering the five or so regulatory guidances on subprime lending that FRB has issued through its role on the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council I&#8217;m not sure its strictly accurate to say the Fed has done nothing in regard to the subprime lending crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cautious?&lt;br/&gt;Was the Fed &quot;cautious&quot; when it kept interest rates too low too long after 2002 and fueled the speculative housing bubble?&lt;br/&gt;Were the mortgage lenders &quot;cautious&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Were the Wall Street brokerages firms &quot;cautious&quot; when they concocted CDO Ponzi schemes and enticed pension funds and state-run, county-run, and city-run investment pools into the Ponzi schemes?&lt;br/&gt;Were the mortgage lenders who offered teaser rates and no down payment loans &quot;cautious&quot;? &lt;br/&gt;Were the Wall Street banks &quot;cautious&quot; when they played three-card Monte games using off-the-books off-shore SIVs and fleeced pension funds and state-run, county-run, and city-run investment pools?&lt;br/&gt;Were the rating agencies &quot;cautious&quot; when they assigned good ratings to the Ponzi schemes and three-card Monte games?&lt;br/&gt;Were the rating agencies, Wall street banks and brokerages &quot;cautious&quot; when they enticed pension funds and state-run, county-run, and city-run investment pools to gamble on unproven financial schemes?&lt;br/&gt;The incautious, indeed reckless, behavior of the Fed (including Mr. Stern), the mortgage industry, the money center and Wall Street banks and brokerages, and the ratings agencies brings the U.S. and the world to the worst crisis since 1929, including a banking and credit crisis, and possibly the brink of a calamity.  &lt;br/&gt;And yet Mr. Stern asks us to be &quot;cautious&quot; with everyone of these charlatans. Mr. Stern has a hell of a nerve telling the &quot;innocents&quot; who practice cautious savings and investing to be &quot;cautious&quot; about the &quot;guilty&quot; who gamble with other people&#039;s hard-earned savings and investments.&lt;br/&gt;In this whole mess, Mr. Stern claims he sees little &quot;low hanging fruit&quot;. Stern is the longest-serving of the 12 Fed bank presidents. Perhaps, if he looked in a mirror he might see over-ripe fruit that is due for plucking from the Fed lending tree.&lt;br/&gt;The Fed kept rates too low to long. The fed and federal regulators were derelict in their duty regarding lending, loans, bank reserve requirements, etc. And here is Hank Paulson aiding and abetting his big bank buddies in prolonging the Ponzi scheme with a Super-SIV.   TALK ABOUT MORAL HAZARD! The fed and the treasury are serial offenders.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Fed&#039;s culpability is even worse than the mortgage lenders and Wall Street scams artists. The Fed knew what the problems were, had a responsibility, but did not stop the shenanigans.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Enron was peanuts. Enron was a misdemeanor compared to this felony.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The &quot;perps&quot;: the Fed and federal regulatory agencies; the mortgage industry; the money center and Wall Street banks and brokerages; and the ratings agencies. The entire mob needs to face justice.&lt;br/&gt;Nothing short of major federal prosecutions and trials, Congressional investigations, new legislation and regulation, and the firing of all the guilty bank/brokerage/mortgage/federal officers will restore public confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cautious?<br />Was the Fed &#8220;cautious&#8221; when it kept interest rates too low too long after 2002 and fueled the speculative housing bubble?<br />Were the mortgage lenders &#8220;cautious&#8221;<br />Were the Wall Street brokerages firms &#8220;cautious&#8221; when they concocted CDO Ponzi schemes and enticed pension funds and state-run, county-run, and city-run investment pools into the Ponzi schemes?<br />Were the mortgage lenders who offered teaser rates and no down payment loans &#8220;cautious&#8221;? <br />Were the Wall Street banks &#8220;cautious&#8221; when they played three-card Monte games using off-the-books off-shore SIVs and fleeced pension funds and state-run, county-run, and city-run investment pools?<br />Were the rating agencies &#8220;cautious&#8221; when they assigned good ratings to the Ponzi schemes and three-card Monte games?<br />Were the rating agencies, Wall street banks and brokerages &#8220;cautious&#8221; when they enticed pension funds and state-run, county-run, and city-run investment pools to gamble on unproven financial schemes?<br />The incautious, indeed reckless, behavior of the Fed (including Mr. Stern), the mortgage industry, the money center and Wall Street banks and brokerages, and the ratings agencies brings the U.S. and the world to the worst crisis since 1929, including a banking and credit crisis, and possibly the brink of a calamity.  <br />And yet Mr. Stern asks us to be &#8220;cautious&#8221; with everyone of these charlatans. Mr. Stern has a hell of a nerve telling the &#8220;innocents&#8221; who practice cautious savings and investing to be &#8220;cautious&#8221; about the &#8220;guilty&#8221; who gamble with other people&#8217;s hard-earned savings and investments.<br />In this whole mess, Mr. Stern claims he sees little &#8220;low hanging fruit&#8221;. Stern is the longest-serving of the 12 Fed bank presidents. Perhaps, if he looked in a mirror he might see over-ripe fruit that is due for plucking from the Fed lending tree.<br />The Fed kept rates too low to long. The fed and federal regulators were derelict in their duty regarding lending, loans, bank reserve requirements, etc. And here is Hank Paulson aiding and abetting his big bank buddies in prolonging the Ponzi scheme with a Super-SIV.   TALK ABOUT MORAL HAZARD! The fed and the treasury are serial offenders.</p>
<p>The Fed&#8217;s culpability is even worse than the mortgage lenders and Wall Street scams artists. The Fed knew what the problems were, had a responsibility, but did not stop the shenanigans.</p>
<p>Enron was peanuts. Enron was a misdemeanor compared to this felony.</p>
<p>The &#8220;perps&#8221;: the Fed and federal regulatory agencies; the mortgage industry; the money center and Wall Street banks and brokerages; and the ratings agencies. The entire mob needs to face justice.<br />Nothing short of major federal prosecutions and trials, Congressional investigations, new legislation and regulation, and the firing of all the guilty bank/brokerage/mortgage/federal officers will restore public confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Accountant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again.  I read Stern&#039;s speech in its entirety.  It was Shakespearian, &quot;full of sound and fury, signifying nothing&quot;, except that the Fed hasn&#039;t a cluw what the problem is or how to fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again.  I read Stern&#8217;s speech in its entirety.  It was Shakespearian, &#8220;full of sound and fury, signifying nothing&#8221;, except that the Fed hasn&#8217;t a cluw what the problem is or how to fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Principle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Principle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet, incredibly, Stern is arguing against meaningful change despite overwhelming evidence of serious problems. How can that be?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Gary Stern became president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis in March 1985. Stern, a native of Wisconsin, joined the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis in January 1982 as senior vice president and director of research. Before joining the Minneapolis Fed, Stern was a partner in a New York-based economic consulting firm. Stern&#039;s prior experience includes seven years at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank&lt;br/&gt;Background on Gary H. Stern&lt;br/&gt;http://minneapolisfed.org/info/mpls/people/stern.cfm&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or, to quote Upton Sinclair: &quot;It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But this part of Stern&#039;s bio is particularly droll, under the circumstances:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Stern is co-author of Too Big to Fail: The Hazards of Bank Bailouts, published by The Brookings Institution (2004).&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s may be a screwed up system, but it&#039;s still a great entertainment value for the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet, incredibly, Stern is arguing against meaningful change despite overwhelming evidence of serious problems. How can that be?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Gary Stern became president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis in March 1985. Stern, a native of Wisconsin, joined the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis in January 1982 as senior vice president and director of research. Before joining the Minneapolis Fed, Stern was a partner in a New York-based economic consulting firm. Stern&#8217;s prior experience includes seven years at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.&#8221;</p>
<p>Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank<br />Background on Gary H. Stern<br /><a href="http://minneapolisfed.org/info/mpls/people/stern.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://minneapolisfed.org/info/mpls/people/stern.cfm</a></p>
<p>Or, to quote Upton Sinclair: &#8220;It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.&#8221;</p>
<p>But this part of Stern&#8217;s bio is particularly droll, under the circumstances:</p>
<p>&#8220;Stern is co-author of Too Big to Fail: The Hazards of Bank Bailouts, published by The Brookings Institution (2004).&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s may be a screwed up system, but it&#8217;s still a great entertainment value for the money.</p>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..Accept the originate to distribute model as is, or you go back to having banks hold loans on their balance sheets.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I like this dichotomy, and I think the correct conclusion is that the person who makes and vets the loan needs to hold the loan on its balance sheet.  He&#039;s the one with the information; if he doesn&#039;t get the loan, he&#039;s going to be able to take advantage of someone else with less information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..Accept the originate to distribute model as is, or you go back to having banks hold loans on their balance sheets.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like this dichotomy, and I think the correct conclusion is that the person who makes and vets the loan needs to hold the loan on its balance sheet.  He&#8217;s the one with the information; if he doesn&#8217;t get the loan, he&#8217;s going to be able to take advantage of someone else with less information.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stern is right when he says “ some observers attributed outsized risk taking to provision of “excessive liquidity”, an evocative but highly imprecise term, on the part of central banks. Others attributed the situation to the so-called savings glut.” Both the liquidity argument and the savings glut argument are technically wrong as an understanding of the central bank role.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are right in noting “cutting short term rates to 1%, which was a negative real interest rate. Negative real interest rate produce speculation.” You have identified the correct technical connection between the central bank actions and consequences. It’s interest rates – not liquidity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Central banks may be wrong in their current thinking about the severity of the consequences, but most commentators are wrong in describing the central bank role. This may seem like nitpicking, but it&#039;s fairly fundamental, and doesn’t add credibility to either side of the argument. Your distinction pointing to interest rates is quite important. At least from that starting point, there might be a more meaningful discussion and understanding of the origin of the problem, and the Fed would be hard pressed to win that argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stern is right when he says “ some observers attributed outsized risk taking to provision of “excessive liquidity”, an evocative but highly imprecise term, on the part of central banks. Others attributed the situation to the so-called savings glut.” Both the liquidity argument and the savings glut argument are technically wrong as an understanding of the central bank role.</p>
<p>You are right in noting “cutting short term rates to 1%, which was a negative real interest rate. Negative real interest rate produce speculation.” You have identified the correct technical connection between the central bank actions and consequences. It’s interest rates – not liquidity.</p>
<p>Central banks may be wrong in their current thinking about the severity of the consequences, but most commentators are wrong in describing the central bank role. This may seem like nitpicking, but it&#8217;s fairly fundamental, and doesn’t add credibility to either side of the argument. Your distinction pointing to interest rates is quite important. At least from that starting point, there might be a more meaningful discussion and understanding of the origin of the problem, and the Fed would be hard pressed to win that argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subtitle of Gary Stern&#039;s speech:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Iceberg?  What iceberg?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subtitle of Gary Stern&#8217;s speech:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iceberg?  What iceberg?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CrocodileChuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrocodileChuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bravo!  One of your best posts.  To append to your list of &#039;low hanging fruit&#039;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;per Lowell Bryan&#039;s early &#039;90&#039;s HBR article (after the LAST crisis-S&amp;L&#039;s):  any deposit taking bank backed by deposit insurance to have a certain percentage of its liabilities invested in liquid securities, eg T-bills.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We understand that the rate of bank failures in the US is increasing...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;CrocodileChuck&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ps MacFarlane-more prescient than he could ever imagine (and so soon!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves</p>
<p>Bravo!  One of your best posts.  To append to your list of &#8216;low hanging fruit&#8217;:</p>
<p>per Lowell Bryan&#8217;s early &#8217;90&#8217;s HBR article (after the LAST crisis-S&#038;L&#8217;s):  any deposit taking bank backed by deposit insurance to have a certain percentage of its liabilities invested in liquid securities, eg T-bills.</p>
<p>We understand that the rate of bank failures in the US is increasing&#8230;</p>
<p>CrocodileChuck</p>
<p>ps MacFarlane-more prescient than he could ever imagine (and so soon!)</p>
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