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	<title>Comments on: Trying to Talk Their Way Out of the Doghouse (Merrill, Morgan Stanley Edition)</title>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 1:47 PM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Funny.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lune,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ah, that one should have occurred to me....Guess I have fallen for the idea that those newly emboldened accountants would make all the firms come clean in their audited financials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon of 1:47 PM,</p>
<p>Funny.</p>
<p>Lune,</p>
<p>Ah, that one should have occurred to me&#8230;.Guess I have fallen for the idea that those newly emboldened accountants would make all the firms come clean in their audited financials.</p>
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		<title>By: Lune</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/11/trying-to-talk-their-way-out-of.html#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>Lune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own conspiracy theory is that GS and even the other IBs are holding off on their biggest disclosures until after the new year, so that it won&#039;t affect their bonuses. After all, if you declare $20bil in loss and then reserve $16bil for bonuses, that wouldn&#039;t look very good. But distribute $16bil &lt;i&gt;first&lt;/i&gt;, then disclose an &quot;unforseen, unpredicted&quot; $20bil loss, and everything is okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own conspiracy theory is that GS and even the other IBs are holding off on their biggest disclosures until after the new year, so that it won&#8217;t affect their bonuses. After all, if you declare $20bil in loss and then reserve $16bil for bonuses, that wouldn&#8217;t look very good. But distribute $16bil <i>first</i>, then disclose an &#8220;unforseen, unpredicted&#8221; $20bil loss, and everything is okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Citigroup is as strong as the Dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Citigroup is as strong as the Dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eengineer,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So far, Goldman acts as if it is, well, golden. For example, a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=aNSK6SSBn5Zc&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bloomberg story yesterday &lt;/a&gt;noted:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Goldman, the biggest and most profitable U.S. securities firm, set aside $16.9 billion to pay salaries, benefits and bonuses in the first nine months of 2007, according to the company&#039;s third-quarter earnings report. The stock market values Bear Stearns Cos., the fifth-biggest firm, at $14.7 billion. Bonuses, the majority of Wall Street compensation, are typically paid after the fiscal year ends this month.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, I can&#039;t believe that Goldman is making out like a bandit when the rest of the industry is falling apart. We had pointed out earlier that Goldman has the highest percentage of assets on its balance sheet of any Wall Street firm.  Bernard, who comments here from time to time, noted over at Nouriel Roubini&#039;s blog that Goldman&#039;s Level 3 assets were 185% of equity (Morgan Stanley has the highest ratio, at 251% of equity).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Goldman is well managed, so I am willing to concede that they could well have avoided the self-inflicted wounds of other firms, since many of the things they did were collossally stupid  (like Merrill hanging on to unsold CDO underwritings, or Citi taking the novel and self destructive step of creating CDOs with CP that they underwrote, meaning they would have to buy it if the CDO entity couldn&#039;t roll it).  Similarly, at least in the past, dealers have been unable to avoid being net long bonds in a falling market (although Goldman reports that it made big profits on bets that mortgage securities would fall, presumably more than offsetting inventory losses).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s enough to make you believe the conspiracy theorists, that the firm is getting tip-offs on policy moves from its friends in the Treasury Department. Or maybe it just has a way to keep from revaluing its Level 3 assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eengineer,</p>
<p>So far, Goldman acts as if it is, well, golden. For example, a <a HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=aNSK6SSBn5Zc" REL="nofollow">Bloomberg story yesterday </a>noted:</p>
<p><i>Goldman, the biggest and most profitable U.S. securities firm, set aside $16.9 billion to pay salaries, benefits and bonuses in the first nine months of 2007, according to the company&#8217;s third-quarter earnings report. The stock market values Bear Stearns Cos., the fifth-biggest firm, at $14.7 billion. Bonuses, the majority of Wall Street compensation, are typically paid after the fiscal year ends this month.</i></p>
<p>Personally, I can&#8217;t believe that Goldman is making out like a bandit when the rest of the industry is falling apart. We had pointed out earlier that Goldman has the highest percentage of assets on its balance sheet of any Wall Street firm.  Bernard, who comments here from time to time, noted over at Nouriel Roubini&#8217;s blog that Goldman&#8217;s Level 3 assets were 185% of equity (Morgan Stanley has the highest ratio, at 251% of equity).</p>
<p>Goldman is well managed, so I am willing to concede that they could well have avoided the self-inflicted wounds of other firms, since many of the things they did were collossally stupid  (like Merrill hanging on to unsold CDO underwritings, or Citi taking the novel and self destructive step of creating CDOs with CP that they underwrote, meaning they would have to buy it if the CDO entity couldn&#8217;t roll it).  Similarly, at least in the past, dealers have been unable to avoid being net long bonds in a falling market (although Goldman reports that it made big profits on bets that mortgage securities would fall, presumably more than offsetting inventory losses).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s enough to make you believe the conspiracy theorists, that the firm is getting tip-offs on policy moves from its friends in the Treasury Department. Or maybe it just has a way to keep from revaluing its Level 3 assets.</p>
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		<title>By: EEngineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEngineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And where is GS in all of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where is GS in all of this?</p>
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