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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/12/aaa-bond-insurer-security-capital-put.html#comment-2390</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh yes. It&#039;s fair to say that the mortgagors, structurers, insurers, and (most of the) tranche buyers all thought that they were doing 2 - 3 year credit. Smart money and dumb money were in agreement about that (with a few exceptions on the smart end), and a lot of very sharp guys have gotten blown up. I don&#039;t know, but I suspect that few on the short side expected their bets to work out as well as they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Yves,</p>
<p>Oh yes. It&#8217;s fair to say that the mortgagors, structurers, insurers, and (most of the) tranche buyers all thought that they were doing 2 &#8211; 3 year credit. Smart money and dumb money were in agreement about that (with a few exceptions on the smart end), and a lot of very sharp guys have gotten blown up. I don&#8217;t know, but I suspect that few on the short side expected their bets to work out as well as they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not doing this thread justice (good comments, BTW) but happened to see you comment and wanted to confirm it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Right when this subprime mess was in its early days, a hedgie I know (very very smart guy, been through multiple cycles, knows more than a thing or two about risk) blithely asserted that subprimes weren&#039;t a big deal because anyone who could pay on time for two years could refinance into a prime loan. There were clearly a lot of otherwise smart people who were of that view once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not doing this thread justice (good comments, BTW) but happened to see you comment and wanted to confirm it. </p>
<p>Right when this subprime mess was in its early days, a hedgie I know (very very smart guy, been through multiple cycles, knows more than a thing or two about risk) blithely asserted that subprimes weren&#8217;t a big deal because anyone who could pay on time for two years could refinance into a prime loan. There were clearly a lot of otherwise smart people who were of that view once.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/12/aaa-bond-insurer-security-capital-put.html#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The models evidently assumed rising house prices, moderate defaults, and a wave of refi-linked prepayments in years 2 and 3. The insurers were betting that the duration of the tranches would be incredibly short compared to stated maturities, so that their at-risk horizon would be mostly limited to the teaser period for ARMs. (I think many of the holders of senior tranches expected exactly the same: buy at a discount, early return of principal, so the coupon rate of 50-95bp over LIBOR looked good compared to 3 - 5 year yields.) Insurers also expected that rising prices would quell foreclosure loses after years two and three, while unpaid principal would dwindle to almost nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The models evidently assumed rising house prices, moderate defaults, and a wave of refi-linked prepayments in years 2 and 3. The insurers were betting that the duration of the tranches would be incredibly short compared to stated maturities, so that their at-risk horizon would be mostly limited to the teaser period for ARMs. (I think many of the holders of senior tranches expected exactly the same: buy at a discount, early return of principal, so the coupon rate of 50-95bp over LIBOR looked good compared to 3 &#8211; 5 year yields.) Insurers also expected that rising prices would quell foreclosure loses after years two and three, while unpaid principal would dwindle to almost nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/12/aaa-bond-insurer-security-capital-put.html#comment-2386</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty close Doc - This is a small bit of how Mason and Rosner put it in their May 2007 paper &lt;i&gt; Where Did the Risk Go? How Misapplied  Bond Ratings Cause Mortgage Backed  Securities and Collateralized Debt Obligation  Market Disruptions&lt;/i&gt;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since the 1970s, largely due to issuer demand for ratings as a way to increase  investor confidence, the rating agencies revenues have increasingly been  generated by issuers of securities. 8 In the past few years, these revenues have  been increasingly driven by ratings for relatively newer structured finance  products. As a result rating definitions have undergone significant changes to  their meaning as well as the manner in which they are employed. These changes  and their implications to the integrity of the rating process are significant.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In an effort to meet market demands for investment grade assets with higher  yields, the rating agencies created new models and approaches to rating these  assets. Given the limited number of Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating  Agencies (NRSROs) and requirements directing certain investors to purchase  only “investment grade” rated assets, their move to rate newer asset classes  strengthened their market power, 9 or in the words of one rating industry  executive, their “partner monopoly”. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The concentration of rating agency power is not limited to the structured  finance market and extends into traditional credit rating business. However,  unlike other debt markets where the number of issuers allows for the broad  diversification of operational and model risk, 11 there is a significant  concentration in structured finance. For example, a recent report by the French  securities regulator pointed out that “12 banks account for more than 70 percent  of European deals, and three rating agencies cover the entire market (two of them  accounting for 80 percent). According to 2005 figures for the French market,  three legal firms account for more than 60 percent of the legal structuring work in  the CDO market, and three others account for more than 50 percent of volume in  the MBS market.” 12 This concentration could have the effect of amplifying rating  model risks, the risks to legal structures, other legal risks, counterparty risks, and  the risks of misapplications of accounting rules (particularly FAS-140).   Moreover, traditional corporate bond ratings have long a long history of  application and have been empirically tested through various economic cycles.  Many structured products – notably CDOs – have not. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;11. Bank for International Settlements, Committee on the Global Financial System,  The Role of Ratings in Structured Finance: Issues and Implications 24 (Jan. 2005)  (“Model risk is ... not confined to structured finance. However, given the lack of  historical default data and the analytical challenges in assessing credit risk exposures (e.g.  treatment of correlation, recoveries and time variation), it is likely to be a more important  issue in the credit risk than in the market risk world. This applies, in particular, for  structured finance instruments, as in the case of correlation assumptions discussed above.  As a result, model-based risk assessments can be a long way from ‘true’ values and, to  the extent that investors rely on ratings for their structured finance investments, the model  risk linked to the agencies’ rating methodologies will be among the principal risks these  investors are exposed to.”) &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bank for International Settlements, Committee on the Global Financial System,  Incentive Structures in Institutional Asset Management and their Implications for  Financial Markets 7 (Mar. 2003) [hereinafter BIS Study]. (“Similarly, with consensus on  “best practice” regarding the modelling of portfolio credit risk still lacking, “model risk”  in instruments such as collateralised debt obligations (CDOs) is an issue for even the  most sophisticated market participants. Use of structured finance instruments, together  with the occurrence of worst case scenarios relating to mispriced or mismanaged  exposures, might thus lead to situations in which extreme market events could have  unanticipated systemic consequences. Given these issues and the fact that structured  finance markets are still largely untested, continued growth in structured finance activity  warrants ongoing central bank awareness.”).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty close Doc &#8211; This is a small bit of how Mason and Rosner put it in their May 2007 paper <i> Where Did the Risk Go? How Misapplied  Bond Ratings Cause Mortgage Backed  Securities and Collateralized Debt Obligation  Market Disruptions</i>:</p>
<p>Since the 1970s, largely due to issuer demand for ratings as a way to increase  investor confidence, the rating agencies revenues have increasingly been  generated by issuers of securities. 8 In the past few years, these revenues have  been increasingly driven by ratings for relatively newer structured finance  products. As a result rating definitions have undergone significant changes to  their meaning as well as the manner in which they are employed. These changes  and their implications to the integrity of the rating process are significant.  </p>
<p>In an effort to meet market demands for investment grade assets with higher  yields, the rating agencies created new models and approaches to rating these  assets. Given the limited number of Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating  Agencies (NRSROs) and requirements directing certain investors to purchase  only “investment grade” rated assets, their move to rate newer asset classes  strengthened their market power, 9 or in the words of one rating industry  executive, their “partner monopoly”. </p>
<p>The concentration of rating agency power is not limited to the structured  finance market and extends into traditional credit rating business. However,  unlike other debt markets where the number of issuers allows for the broad  diversification of operational and model risk, 11 there is a significant  concentration in structured finance. For example, a recent report by the French  securities regulator pointed out that “12 banks account for more than 70 percent  of European deals, and three rating agencies cover the entire market (two of them  accounting for 80 percent). According to 2005 figures for the French market,  three legal firms account for more than 60 percent of the legal structuring work in  the CDO market, and three others account for more than 50 percent of volume in  the MBS market.” 12 This concentration could have the effect of amplifying rating  model risks, the risks to legal structures, other legal risks, counterparty risks, and  the risks of misapplications of accounting rules (particularly FAS-140).   Moreover, traditional corporate bond ratings have long a long history of  application and have been empirically tested through various economic cycles.  Many structured products – notably CDOs – have not. </p>
<p>11. Bank for International Settlements, Committee on the Global Financial System,  The Role of Ratings in Structured Finance: Issues and Implications 24 (Jan. 2005)  (“Model risk is &#8230; not confined to structured finance. However, given the lack of  historical default data and the analytical challenges in assessing credit risk exposures (e.g.  treatment of correlation, recoveries and time variation), it is likely to be a more important  issue in the credit risk than in the market risk world. This applies, in particular, for  structured finance instruments, as in the case of correlation assumptions discussed above.  As a result, model-based risk assessments can be a long way from ‘true’ values and, to  the extent that investors rely on ratings for their structured finance investments, the model  risk linked to the agencies’ rating methodologies will be among the principal risks these  investors are exposed to.”) </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Bank for International Settlements, Committee on the Global Financial System,  Incentive Structures in Institutional Asset Management and their Implications for  Financial Markets 7 (Mar. 2003) [hereinafter BIS Study]. (“Similarly, with consensus on  “best practice” regarding the modelling of portfolio credit risk still lacking, “model risk”  in instruments such as collateralised debt obligations (CDOs) is an issue for even the  most sophisticated market participants. Use of structured finance instruments, together  with the occurrence of worst case scenarios relating to mispriced or mismanaged  exposures, might thus lead to situations in which extreme market events could have  unanticipated systemic consequences. Given these issues and the fact that structured  finance markets are still largely untested, continued growth in structured finance activity  warrants ongoing central bank awareness.”).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pop Goes The Weasel:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Deal Structure&lt;br/&gt;Dexia is selling the credit risk related to the AAA ABS portfolio to external parties by means of two credit default swaps: a non-funded super senior credit default swap with an undisclosed party and a junior credit default swap with Dublin Oak Ltd, a special purpose company registered in Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pop Goes The Weasel:</p>
<p>Deal Structure<br />Dexia is selling the credit risk related to the AAA ABS portfolio to external parties by means of two credit default swaps: a non-funded super senior credit default swap with an undisclosed party and a junior credit default swap with Dublin Oak Ltd, a special purpose company registered in Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My useless contention is that the models had false static data as a result of 9/11 which resulted in probably 85%+ refi&#039;s of all American homes, after mortgage rates dropped to 40+ year lows; the refis changed all the loss curves, because there was no accurate picture or curve to base defaults on.  IMHO, the deafault rates for all the models were based on models which used either Great Depression worst case defaults, or other home owner recessions, like new england 1990 era...which was a logical and fast assumption, however, that data was all based on previous models linked to actual 30 year mortgages from previous generation home owneres, which had different default data relationships.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By using outdated models, all the rating agencies came up with loss curves resulting in bogus values.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its a hunch at why they all screwed up, its either model distortion or the other theory that they all were paid off and failed in fiduciary roles; take your pick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My useless contention is that the models had false static data as a result of 9/11 which resulted in probably 85%+ refi&#8217;s of all American homes, after mortgage rates dropped to 40+ year lows; the refis changed all the loss curves, because there was no accurate picture or curve to base defaults on.  IMHO, the deafault rates for all the models were based on models which used either Great Depression worst case defaults, or other home owner recessions, like new england 1990 era&#8230;which was a logical and fast assumption, however, that data was all based on previous models linked to actual 30 year mortgages from previous generation home owneres, which had different default data relationships.</p>
<p>By using outdated models, all the rating agencies came up with loss curves resulting in bogus values.</p>
<p>Its a hunch at why they all screwed up, its either model distortion or the other theory that they all were paid off and failed in fiduciary roles; take your pick!</p>
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		<title>By: foesskewered</title>
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		<dc:creator>foesskewered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the insurer did its own due diligence, chances are they would have ended up with the same erm &quot;situation&quot; . The question is what kind of models and assumptions did they base those ratings on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the insurer did its own due diligence, chances are they would have ended up with the same erm &#8220;situation&#8221; . The question is what kind of models and assumptions did they base those ratings on?</p>
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		<title>By: newsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>newsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So one would assume that Fitch rated these problem CDOs as AAA at some point--does the insurer do its own diligence on those things, or does it accept the ratings agency&#039;s seal of approval?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So one would assume that Fitch rated these problem CDOs as AAA at some point&#8211;does the insurer do its own diligence on those things, or does it accept the ratings agency&#8217;s seal of approval?</p>
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