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	<title>Comments on: SIV Rescue Plan Still Lumbering Forward</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/12/siv-rescue-plan-still-lumbering-forward.html#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom Line On SIV Vertical Slicing comes from Warren:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To the Shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway Inc.:&lt;br/&gt;Our gain in net worth during 2005 was $5.6 billion&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;.... And that’s where we are today: A record portion of the earnings that would go in their entirety to&lt;br/&gt;owners – if they all just stayed in their rocking chairs – is now going to a swelling army of Helpers.&lt;br/&gt;Particularly expensive is the recent pandemic of profit arrangements under which Helpers receive large&lt;br/&gt;portions of the winnings when they are smart or lucky, and leave family members with all of the losses –&lt;br/&gt;and large fixed fees to boot – when the Helpers are dumb or unlucky (or occasionally crooked).&lt;br/&gt;A sufficient number of arrangements like this – heads, the Helper takes much of the winnings;&lt;br/&gt;tails, the Gotrocks lose and pay dearly for the privilege of doing so – may make it more accurate to call the&lt;br/&gt;family the Hadrocks. Today, in fact, the family’s frictional costs of all sorts may well amount to 20% of the earnings of American business. In other words, the burden of paying Helpers may cause American&lt;br/&gt;equity investors, overall, to earn only 80% or so of what they would earn if they just sat still and listened to&lt;br/&gt;no one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom Line On SIV Vertical Slicing comes from Warren:</p>
<p>To the Shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway Inc.:<br />Our gain in net worth during 2005 was $5.6 billion</p>
<p>&#8230;. And that’s where we are today: A record portion of the earnings that would go in their entirety to<br />owners – if they all just stayed in their rocking chairs – is now going to a swelling army of Helpers.<br />Particularly expensive is the recent pandemic of profit arrangements under which Helpers receive large<br />portions of the winnings when they are smart or lucky, and leave family members with all of the losses –<br />and large fixed fees to boot – when the Helpers are dumb or unlucky (or occasionally crooked).<br />A sufficient number of arrangements like this – heads, the Helper takes much of the winnings;<br />tails, the Gotrocks lose and pay dearly for the privilege of doing so – may make it more accurate to call the<br />family the Hadrocks. Today, in fact, the family’s frictional costs of all sorts may well amount to 20% of the earnings of American business. In other words, the burden of paying Helpers may cause American<br />equity investors, overall, to earn only 80% or so of what they would earn if they just sat still and listened to<br />no one</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SIVs, which sell short-term debt and invest the proceeds in higher-yielding securities such as bank bonds and mortgage-backed securities, reduced their holdings by more than 25 percent since August to $298 billion, according to Moody&#039;s Investors Service. At least $84 billion more is being restructured by banks that set up the funds, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The average net asset value for SIVs has tumbled to 55 percent from 71 percent a month ago and 102 percent in June, according to Moody&#039;s.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At least half of the 30 or so SIVs have yet to announce bailout plans. Even those that have been disclosed require approval from bondholders, including proposals by HSBC and Rabobank Groep NV. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Devised by former Citigroup bankers Stephen Partridge-Hicks and Nicholas Sossidis in 1988, SIVs aim to profit by borrowing at least 10 times the initial funding provided by long-term capital or income noteholders. The money is invested in hundreds of securities from asset-backed debt with AAA credit ratings to bank bonds. Mortgage debt made up 23 percent of SIV assets, with most having no direct subprime link, Moody&#039;s said in July. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;SIVs profit by using top credit ratings to borrow at low short-term rates. The model had broken down by September when money market investors either stopped buying SIV debt or charged as much as 6.3 percent on 30-day asset-backed commercial paper, the highest rate in more than six years. SIVs were left paying more to borrow than they were earning, Moody&#039;s said in a report in September.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SIVs, which sell short-term debt and invest the proceeds in higher-yielding securities such as bank bonds and mortgage-backed securities, reduced their holdings by more than 25 percent since August to $298 billion, according to Moody&#8217;s Investors Service. At least $84 billion more is being restructured by banks that set up the funds, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.</p>
<p>The average net asset value for SIVs has tumbled to 55 percent from 71 percent a month ago and 102 percent in June, according to Moody&#8217;s.</p>
<p>At least half of the 30 or so SIVs have yet to announce bailout plans. Even those that have been disclosed require approval from bondholders, including proposals by HSBC and Rabobank Groep NV. </p>
<p>Devised by former Citigroup bankers Stephen Partridge-Hicks and Nicholas Sossidis in 1988, SIVs aim to profit by borrowing at least 10 times the initial funding provided by long-term capital or income noteholders. The money is invested in hundreds of securities from asset-backed debt with AAA credit ratings to bank bonds. Mortgage debt made up 23 percent of SIV assets, with most having no direct subprime link, Moody&#8217;s said in July. </p>
<p>SIVs profit by using top credit ratings to borrow at low short-term rates. The model had broken down by September when money market investors either stopped buying SIV debt or charged as much as 6.3 percent on 30-day asset-backed commercial paper, the highest rate in more than six years. SIVs were left paying more to borrow than they were earning, Moody&#8217;s said in a report in September.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the S&amp;P note on Sigma.  It is strange how they go so far out of their way to not say Sigma is an SIV.  Sigma&#039;s triggers are a little different than most SIVs but it is still and SIV.  It is an SIV that does not have a bank behind it.  Managers of Money Market funds holding Sigma must not be happy campers right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the S&#038;P note on Sigma.  It is strange how they go so far out of their way to not say Sigma is an SIV.  Sigma&#8217;s triggers are a little different than most SIVs but it is still and SIV.  It is an SIV that does not have a bank behind it.  Managers of Money Market funds holding Sigma must not be happy campers right now.</p>
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		<title>By: NC Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>NC Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tne Economist voiced concern that the Super-SIV is an attempt to warehouse the toxic waste and repeat the Japanese strategy of out of sight, out of mind - thus delaying dealing with the underlying problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tne Economist voiced concern that the Super-SIV is an attempt to warehouse the toxic waste and repeat the Japanese strategy of out of sight, out of mind &#8211; thus delaying dealing with the underlying problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigma.  Look out for Sigma.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sigma was put on negative outlook by S&amp;P today.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sigma is going down and it&#039;s going to hurt a lot of money funds.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe the banks think the SuperSIV can do something about it but the SuperSIV will not save Sigma.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sigma is a $50 billion bomb about to go off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigma.  Look out for Sigma.  </p>
<p>Sigma was put on negative outlook by S&#038;P today.</p>
<p>Sigma is going down and it&#8217;s going to hurt a lot of money funds.</p>
<p>Maybe the banks think the SuperSIV can do something about it but the SuperSIV will not save Sigma.</p>
<p>Sigma is a $50 billion bomb about to go off.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow this latest MLEC sighting seems related to `shark kills kangaroo&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow this latest MLEC sighting seems related to `shark kills kangaroo&#8217;.</p>
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