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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bankers-pay-is-deeply-flawed.html#comment-41764</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything the current crisis has reminded us how critical banks and bankers are to our lives. The question is: How do we re-establish a banking industry that sustainably serves the broader economic interests of all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The revelation of how acutely self serving the culture of bankers and banking has become has come as a shock to many. However having worked my whole life in the city I know that the majority of those I have worked with understood they were there to extract as much money as they could for themselves as quickly as possible. We knew we offered less to society than a surgeon or an architect. We even new we offered pretty low value for money to shareholders and clients- but that was never the point- Even though we did work hard, loosely structured performance related remuneration allowed us to secure frankly ridiculous amounts of money to do pretty average work. I have always found it surprising that people ever lapped up the idea that we should receive extra money for just doing our job properly. Also, as we all knew, superior returns were more often than not based on a)good fortune, b)under pricing of risk and c)simply being around during one of the longest periods of economic growth in global history. Find me those superior returns now that risk is being repriced and we have global recession- perhaps revealingly we are now left solely reliant on our skill and good fortune, and its not a pretty picture.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What is perhaps more astounding is that it has only been since the government has arrived as a majority shareholder that anyone has thought to challenge the idea that we should keep getting healthy bonuses even if we are losing money on a grand scale. It very much illustrates how shareholders have totally lost control of the companies they own to their executives. As new governmental owners make moves to re-establish shareholder control the range of bizarre executives responses have only gone to reveal just how over-extended their collective sense of entitlement has become. Frighteningly -if anything- the media underplays the level of hubris amongst mid to upper management. It is not a secret that some very well remunerated managers in government bailed out banks have been threatening to walk while actively leaving chaos in their wake, unless they get a substantial bonus. The argument being that these remuneration levels are low relative to the sums at stake. I think in Chicago in the 20s they used to call this kind of racket a &#039;Shake-down&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The sooner this disastrously damaging culture is broken, and errant managers and executives are brought to heal or shown the door, the sooner we might feel more optimistic about a achieving a banking industry that serves our broader economic interest. Tighter regulation will help restrain the worst excesses, however it will never establish a change of attitude. Besides the city is rightly confident it will always manage to be a couple of steps ahead of the regulators. Ironically Thatcher very clearly showed us what needs to be done when those working within a whole economic sector form a self interested cabal that threatens our wider economic interests.&lt;br/&gt;- You make it very clear to them that if they do not quickly adjust to the new status quo they will not survive.&lt;br/&gt;- Encourage the introduction of new entrants who offer better value for money, and a more sympathetic business culture.&lt;br/&gt;- Help re-establish strong active shareholder control.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It will then just be up to individual bankers to decide whether they really do just want to walk away. I would suggest our banking industry would be well rid of those who do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything the current crisis has reminded us how critical banks and bankers are to our lives. The question is: How do we re-establish a banking industry that sustainably serves the broader economic interests of all.</p>
<p>The revelation of how acutely self serving the culture of bankers and banking has become has come as a shock to many. However having worked my whole life in the city I know that the majority of those I have worked with understood they were there to extract as much money as they could for themselves as quickly as possible. We knew we offered less to society than a surgeon or an architect. We even new we offered pretty low value for money to shareholders and clients- but that was never the point- Even though we did work hard, loosely structured performance related remuneration allowed us to secure frankly ridiculous amounts of money to do pretty average work. I have always found it surprising that people ever lapped up the idea that we should receive extra money for just doing our job properly. Also, as we all knew, superior returns were more often than not based on a)good fortune, b)under pricing of risk and c)simply being around during one of the longest periods of economic growth in global history. Find me those superior returns now that risk is being repriced and we have global recession- perhaps revealingly we are now left solely reliant on our skill and good fortune, and its not a pretty picture.</p>
<p>What is perhaps more astounding is that it has only been since the government has arrived as a majority shareholder that anyone has thought to challenge the idea that we should keep getting healthy bonuses even if we are losing money on a grand scale. It very much illustrates how shareholders have totally lost control of the companies they own to their executives. As new governmental owners make moves to re-establish shareholder control the range of bizarre executives responses have only gone to reveal just how over-extended their collective sense of entitlement has become. Frighteningly -if anything- the media underplays the level of hubris amongst mid to upper management. It is not a secret that some very well remunerated managers in government bailed out banks have been threatening to walk while actively leaving chaos in their wake, unless they get a substantial bonus. The argument being that these remuneration levels are low relative to the sums at stake. I think in Chicago in the 20s they used to call this kind of racket a &#8216;Shake-down&#8217;.</p>
<p>The sooner this disastrously damaging culture is broken, and errant managers and executives are brought to heal or shown the door, the sooner we might feel more optimistic about a achieving a banking industry that serves our broader economic interest. Tighter regulation will help restrain the worst excesses, however it will never establish a change of attitude. Besides the city is rightly confident it will always manage to be a couple of steps ahead of the regulators. Ironically Thatcher very clearly showed us what needs to be done when those working within a whole economic sector form a self interested cabal that threatens our wider economic interests.<br />- You make it very clear to them that if they do not quickly adjust to the new status quo they will not survive.<br />- Encourage the introduction of new entrants who offer better value for money, and a more sympathetic business culture.<br />- Help re-establish strong active shareholder control.</p>
<p>It will then just be up to individual bankers to decide whether they really do just want to walk away. I would suggest our banking industry would be well rid of those who do.</p>
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		<title>By: foesskewered</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bankers-pay-is-deeply-flawed.html#comment-2938</link>
		<dc:creator>foesskewered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independent Accountant; your Adam Smith quote is quite funny , reminds me of a banker friend who reacted with faux horror when told he should meet up with a trader friend from another investment bank; being the lawyer he was, he was afraid of contravening unspoken rules. Maybe it&#039;s less paranoia than good sense. But in an industry where people with less ambition are looking to retire after a good harvest of 5 years, are nefarious plots so unthinkable?Probably not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independent Accountant; your Adam Smith quote is quite funny , reminds me of a banker friend who reacted with faux horror when told he should meet up with a trader friend from another investment bank; being the lawyer he was, he was afraid of contravening unspoken rules. Maybe it&#8217;s less paranoia than good sense. But in an industry where people with less ambition are looking to retire after a good harvest of 5 years, are nefarious plots so unthinkable?Probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Accountant</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bankers-pay-is-deeply-flawed.html#comment-2932</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Raghuram&#039;s article and agree with it.  Whose to blame?  Try the Fed.  If financial institutions regularly failed, they would be more careful about taking on risk.  As things stand, risk is socialized.&lt;br/&gt;In reading the conspiracy theory, I am reminded of something Adam Smith wrote in The Wealth of Nations, 1776, paraphrased,  &quot;People of the same trade or occupation seldom meet together for merriment or diversion, but to engage in a conspiracy against the public or to adopt some contrivance to raise prices&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Raghuram&#8217;s article and agree with it.  Whose to blame?  Try the Fed.  If financial institutions regularly failed, they would be more careful about taking on risk.  As things stand, risk is socialized.<br />In reading the conspiracy theory, I am reminded of something Adam Smith wrote in The Wealth of Nations, 1776, paraphrased,  &#8220;People of the same trade or occupation seldom meet together for merriment or diversion, but to engage in a conspiracy against the public or to adopt some contrivance to raise prices&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so who&#039;s to blame? This is a point you often make, but just to repeat.  The regulation is flawed.  The banks aren&#039;t holding nearly enough capital.  Using the banks&#039; own model of its risk (backtested over 5 or 10 years) to determine the amount of capital it must hold is crazy.  (It&#039;s not just the coefficient which is wrong; it&#039;s the entire, baseless idea that backtesting will correctly detect the full gamut of risk.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so who&#8217;s to blame? This is a point you often make, but just to repeat.  The regulation is flawed.  The banks aren&#8217;t holding nearly enough capital.  Using the banks&#8217; own model of its risk (backtested over 5 or 10 years) to determine the amount of capital it must hold is crazy.  (It&#8217;s not just the coefficient which is wrong; it&#8217;s the entire, baseless idea that backtesting will correctly detect the full gamut of risk.)</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Accountant</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bankers-pay-is-deeply-flawed.html#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said what Rajan said for decades!  As for Jett, he did not control Kidder&#039;s accounting.  The transactions were recorded as Kidder Peabody&#039;s accounting system required.  The problem was not with Jett, but with Kidder.  GE had 450 internal auditors, paid KPMG millions to audit Kidder and couldn&#039;t find $23 billion of securities were mispriced by $335 million?  This is preposterous.  GE made Jett a scapegoat as did the SEC.  I am completely on Jett&#039;s side having followed &quot;Le Affair Jett&quot; as it broke.  I add, the US Attorney for the SDNY who never indicted Jett is now a multi-million dollar a year Wall Street lawyer.  It&#039;s good to see Mary Jo White did so well for herself taking direction from Jack Welch &amp; Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said what Rajan said for decades!  As for Jett, he did not control Kidder&#8217;s accounting.  The transactions were recorded as Kidder Peabody&#8217;s accounting system required.  The problem was not with Jett, but with Kidder.  GE had 450 internal auditors, paid KPMG millions to audit Kidder and couldn&#8217;t find $23 billion of securities were mispriced by $335 million?  This is preposterous.  GE made Jett a scapegoat as did the SEC.  I am completely on Jett&#8217;s side having followed &#8220;Le Affair Jett&#8221; as it broke.  I add, the US Attorney for the SDNY who never indicted Jett is now a multi-million dollar a year Wall Street lawyer.  It&#8217;s good to see Mary Jo White did so well for herself taking direction from Jack Welch &#038; Co.</p>
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