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	<title>Comments on: Bond Insurer Update: Surprisingly Positive Noises from the FT; Egan Jones Conference Call</title>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bond-insurer-update-surprisingly.html#comment-3501</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention in the above ranting and raving about the new capital structure/derivative, you can bet every cent you have in your pockets or banks, that every rating agency out there will foam at the mouth and drool to get a piece of the action and offer the very highest of ratings, and assure investors that there is a degree of safety which has been modeled!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a bonus for spam-like junk, here is some trash that is seriously OT, but needs to get off my desktop:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1.  Sometimes the notion of self-organization is conflated with that of the related concept of emergence, which refers to the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity (disambiguation) of relatively simple interactions. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.   But consider that the U.S. consumer last year spent $9.5 trillion. Chinese consumers spent about $1 trillion, and Indians about $650 billion. The power of the American consumer is still six times that of this new &quot;Chindian&quot; consumer. It&#039;s mathematically impossible to see a major decrease in U.S. consumption being made up by the Chinese and Indians.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3.  Genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood.    T. S. Eliot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention in the above ranting and raving about the new capital structure/derivative, you can bet every cent you have in your pockets or banks, that every rating agency out there will foam at the mouth and drool to get a piece of the action and offer the very highest of ratings, and assure investors that there is a degree of safety which has been modeled!</p>
<p>As a bonus for spam-like junk, here is some trash that is seriously OT, but needs to get off my desktop:</p>
<p>1.  Sometimes the notion of self-organization is conflated with that of the related concept of emergence, which refers to the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity (disambiguation) of relatively simple interactions. </p>
<p>2.   But consider that the U.S. consumer last year spent $9.5 trillion. Chinese consumers spent about $1 trillion, and Indians about $650 billion. The power of the American consumer is still six times that of this new &#8220;Chindian&#8221; consumer. It&#8217;s mathematically impossible to see a major decrease in U.S. consumption being made up by the Chinese and Indians.  </p>
<p>3.  Genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood.    T. S. Eliot</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bond-insurer-update-surprisingly.html#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The solution I see is evolving towards associations based on previous efforts to consolidate this problem into a new, marketable vehicle which can be monetized for the benefit of these investors that have current and future liabilities, i.e, they will solve this mess by creating a new bigger mess which will simply morph these current liabilities into disguised future liabilities which will be marketed as new credit enhancing opportunities, which they will invest in as a group of collusive gurus that play matchmakers between various groups of regulators, lobby groups, special interests and those that can benefit from invest in this new underwriting derivative.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As you say, the figures being talked about are basic negotiation rounds, as if this is a new IPO or bond to be issued and then backed by some entity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The point here is to morph the debt into a security like  Privately Issued Mortgage-Backed Securities, Custodial Receipts, or some unique entity related to certificated depositary interests, which will be off the books and spun into a trust offshore, where everyone will live happily ever after in peace and harmony! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then as the regulatory dust settles and this trival matter is not a subject of interest by anyone that has attention deficit, many pension fund managers will see this interesting yield enhancement opportunity with this great new investment, and as with any good magic trick, the suckers wil take the bait and within an un-determined amount of time, we will return to this story and pray for The Fed to save us all!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please note this mechanism for those in need of renting capital to either dress an ugly window or to gain a cushion or buffer from regulatory or statuary concerns:  LENDING OF PORTFOLIO SECURITIES. Consistent with applicable regulatory  requirements, the Fund may lend its portfolio securities to brokers, dealers  and other financial institutions, provided that such loans are callable at  any time by the Fund ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>The solution I see is evolving towards associations based on previous efforts to consolidate this problem into a new, marketable vehicle which can be monetized for the benefit of these investors that have current and future liabilities, i.e, they will solve this mess by creating a new bigger mess which will simply morph these current liabilities into disguised future liabilities which will be marketed as new credit enhancing opportunities, which they will invest in as a group of collusive gurus that play matchmakers between various groups of regulators, lobby groups, special interests and those that can benefit from invest in this new underwriting derivative.</p>
<p>As you say, the figures being talked about are basic negotiation rounds, as if this is a new IPO or bond to be issued and then backed by some entity.</p>
<p>The point here is to morph the debt into a security like  Privately Issued Mortgage-Backed Securities, Custodial Receipts, or some unique entity related to certificated depositary interests, which will be off the books and spun into a trust offshore, where everyone will live happily ever after in peace and harmony! </p>
<p>Then as the regulatory dust settles and this trival matter is not a subject of interest by anyone that has attention deficit, many pension fund managers will see this interesting yield enhancement opportunity with this great new investment, and as with any good magic trick, the suckers wil take the bait and within an un-determined amount of time, we will return to this story and pray for The Fed to save us all!</p>
<p>Please note this mechanism for those in need of renting capital to either dress an ugly window or to gain a cushion or buffer from regulatory or statuary concerns:  LENDING OF PORTFOLIO SECURITIES. Consistent with applicable regulatory  requirements, the Fund may lend its portfolio securities to brokers, dealers  and other financial institutions, provided that such loans are callable at  any time by the Fund &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bond-insurer-update-surprisingly.html#comment-3499</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add: perhaps Ross has no intention of starting his own bond insurance company (it&#039;s hard to compete with Warren Buffett after all), but is simply casting a wide data-gathering net to learn as much as possible about credit conditions and global prospects for distressed companies, which is the area where he made his fortune.  What has he got to lose but a bit of his time?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It may also be a useful PR exercise to raise his public profile in a positive way.  If the recession is long and deep, the populist undercurrent exemplified by Edwards and Huckabee could rise in prominence, and may seek to vilify investors in distressed companies as profiteers.  Being seen as a &quot;good guy&quot; rescuer will give him a freer hand... after all nobody criticizes Warren Buffett for buying up assets cheaply.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A final possibility is that it&#039;s somehow in Ross&#039;s short term financial interest to delay the day of reckoning for Ambac by a few weeks or months, based on some positions he might be holding.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The wildest and most speculative theory of all would be that he would actually be seriously considering buying Ambac.  Preposterous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add: perhaps Ross has no intention of starting his own bond insurance company (it&#8217;s hard to compete with Warren Buffett after all), but is simply casting a wide data-gathering net to learn as much as possible about credit conditions and global prospects for distressed companies, which is the area where he made his fortune.  What has he got to lose but a bit of his time?</p>
<p>It may also be a useful PR exercise to raise his public profile in a positive way.  If the recession is long and deep, the populist undercurrent exemplified by Edwards and Huckabee could rise in prominence, and may seek to vilify investors in distressed companies as profiteers.  Being seen as a &#8220;good guy&#8221; rescuer will give him a freer hand&#8230; after all nobody criticizes Warren Buffett for buying up assets cheaply.</p>
<p>A final possibility is that it&#8217;s somehow in Ross&#8217;s short term financial interest to delay the day of reckoning for Ambac by a few weeks or months, based on some positions he might be holding.</p>
<p>The wildest and most speculative theory of all would be that he would actually be seriously considering buying Ambac.  Preposterous.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilbur Ross is probably using due diligence to learn as much as possible about the bond insurance business, to evaluate the possibility of doing a Warren Buffett and starting his own new company.   He can&#039;t be seriously considering buying Ambac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbur Ross is probably using due diligence to learn as much as possible about the bond insurance business, to evaluate the possibility of doing a Warren Buffett and starting his own new company.   He can&#8217;t be seriously considering buying Ambac.</p>
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		<title>By: JC B</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/bond-insurer-update-surprisingly.html#comment-3496</link>
		<dc:creator>JC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So.. what is Wilbur Ross seeing here that the analysis is missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.. what is Wilbur Ross seeing here that the analysis is missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You touch on a very important point that I think has been generally overlooked:  &quot;And the problem here is that any money put up by Wall Street is not for their benefit, but for all the policyholders.&quot;  This is precisely the opposite of the oft-cited tendency of bankers to &quot;privatize the profits and socialize the risks&quot;.  Here they are being asked to privitize the losses, essentially shell out the money to reimburse themselves for losses they thought they had trasferred to the monolines, while socializing the gains from the bailout to anyone who holds an instrument that has been insured.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Surely it is better for the financial markets as a whole if the monolines retain their AAA rating, but the benefits are literally spread over millions of economic entities, from retirees with a lot of muni bonds, to community banks holding same, as well as the money center banks and hedge funds holding all kinds of  fixed income exotica that would take MTM hits in the ensuing wave of liquidations.  And the exposure of the various banks to the fallout will be highly varied (and quite difficult to quantify accurately I&#039;d guess) making an equitable &quot;sharing of pain&quot; a very difficult outcome to achieve. &lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;It is hard to see how the equity holders of the monolines fair well here.  My guess is that there will be some kind of very heavy warrant coverage or some other equity derivative paired with the commitments to the credit line.  The banks will be reluctant to come to the table and the monolines have no credible alternatives unless the Feds show up with a taxpayer supported bailout.  The pound of flesh exacted for the capital support will be substantial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You touch on a very important point that I think has been generally overlooked:  &#8220;And the problem here is that any money put up by Wall Street is not for their benefit, but for all the policyholders.&#8221;  This is precisely the opposite of the oft-cited tendency of bankers to &#8220;privatize the profits and socialize the risks&#8221;.  Here they are being asked to privitize the losses, essentially shell out the money to reimburse themselves for losses they thought they had trasferred to the monolines, while socializing the gains from the bailout to anyone who holds an instrument that has been insured.  </p>
<p>Surely it is better for the financial markets as a whole if the monolines retain their AAA rating, but the benefits are literally spread over millions of economic entities, from retirees with a lot of muni bonds, to community banks holding same, as well as the money center banks and hedge funds holding all kinds of  fixed income exotica that would take MTM hits in the ensuing wave of liquidations.  And the exposure of the various banks to the fallout will be highly varied (and quite difficult to quantify accurately I&#8217;d guess) making an equitable &#8220;sharing of pain&#8221; a very difficult outcome to achieve. </p>
<p>It is hard to see how the equity holders of the monolines fair well here.  My guess is that there will be some kind of very heavy warrant coverage or some other equity derivative paired with the commitments to the credit line.  The banks will be reluctant to come to the table and the monolines have no credible alternatives unless the Feds show up with a taxpayer supported bailout.  The pound of flesh exacted for the capital support will be substantial.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, where would the existing shareholders stand in the rescue?  My guess is they will be trampled over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, where would the existing shareholders stand in the rescue?  My guess is they will be trampled over.</p>
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