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	<title>Comments on: Some Banks Can&#8217;t Foreclose, Unable to Find Loan Documents</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can help solve it.. It is a conspricy with all these companies. I own the note and I&#039;am being forclosed upon. I have never been late or missed a payment. The oridginal lender was paid. They bundled my loan up with others in series 2003-2 certificates and either sold are transfered a paid in full loan.I have been fighting for my home for 8 years.I&#039;m still making payments to these sorry people. There was never an assignment of record at the deeds office. The now third new lender went to the deeds office 17 days after the foreclosure papers was served to record a fraudulant assignment of mortgage and to top it all off hired  or paid someone to act as a vp of mers who by the way deactivated the min number in 2002 to sign acting as a nominee for the originial lender who has been disolved and the company that bought them is in bankruptcy.they are a network of brokers mortgagers attorneys and mers to hide and move securities against the public for the sole purpose of fraud. they no that no one person would ever have the money to keep fighting this through all the courts. I&#039;m hoping to make national news with all my documents and prove that their needs to be a crimnimal and federal investigation into the mortgage industries and it&#039;s serving agentsand any other entitys. Conspiritcy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can help solve it.. It is a conspricy with all these companies. I own the note and I&#8217;am being forclosed upon. I have never been late or missed a payment. The oridginal lender was paid. They bundled my loan up with others in series 2003-2 certificates and either sold are transfered a paid in full loan.I have been fighting for my home for 8 years.I&#8217;m still making payments to these sorry people. There was never an assignment of record at the deeds office. The now third new lender went to the deeds office 17 days after the foreclosure papers was served to record a fraudulant assignment of mortgage and to top it all off hired  or paid someone to act as a vp of mers who by the way deactivated the min number in 2002 to sign acting as a nominee for the originial lender who has been disolved and the company that bought them is in bankruptcy.they are a network of brokers mortgagers attorneys and mers to hide and move securities against the public for the sole purpose of fraud. they no that no one person would ever have the money to keep fighting this through all the courts. I&#8217;m hoping to make national news with all my documents and prove that their needs to be a crimnimal and federal investigation into the mortgage industries and it&#8217;s serving agentsand any other entitys. Conspiritcy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I can&#039;t believe is why people just don&#039;t &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.loanrescueprograms.com/loan-rescue-programs-services.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stop Foreclosure&lt;/a&gt; before it starts.  What amazes me is so many people just give up on their home when they could save it.  The problem is people dont know about places like &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.loanrescueprograms/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Loan Resuce Programs&lt;/a&gt; and just figure they are in a hole.  I know until I ran into them I didnt have a clue services like this existed either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I can&#8217;t believe is why people just don&#8217;t <a HREF="http://www.loanrescueprograms.com/loan-rescue-programs-services.html" REL="nofollow">Stop Foreclosure</a> before it starts.  What amazes me is so many people just give up on their home when they could save it.  The problem is people dont know about places like <a HREF="http://www.loanrescueprograms/" REL="nofollow">Loan Resuce Programs</a> and just figure they are in a hole.  I know until I ran into them I didnt have a clue services like this existed either.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possible additional dimension in this in light of the number of parties in the chain of ownership regarding these notes: Without the notes themselves, how does a court know that the party foreclosing has the legal standing and right to take action?  The party says it does; it may even submit an affidavit.  But how does the court know?  And, if the court moves forward in the absence of the paper itself, the court is at risk of awarding relief to the wrong party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possible additional dimension in this in light of the number of parties in the chain of ownership regarding these notes: Without the notes themselves, how does a court know that the party foreclosing has the legal standing and right to take action?  The party says it does; it may even submit an affidavit.  But how does the court know?  And, if the court moves forward in the absence of the paper itself, the court is at risk of awarding relief to the wrong party.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohio has some of the most bogus real estate situations in the nation!  The state is filled with fraud and they push amazing loans with state backing!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Re:  While the overall rate of foreclosures in the Eugene-Springfield area doesn’t come close to those in some of the nation’s hot spots — Nevada, California, Florida, Michigan and Ohio top the list — the dramatic local increase in 2007 has drawn the attention of observers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;from 2005:  &lt;br/&gt;A bipartisan legislative proposal establishing a pilot program for Federal Housing Administration (FHA) insurance of zero downpayment mortgages would significantly increase homeownership opportunities for the nation’s working families, NAHB told Congress on June 30.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Appearing before the House Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity, NAHB President David Wilson testified in support of H.R. 3043, the “Zero Downpayment Pilot Program Act of 2005,” which was introduced by Reps. Patrick Tiberi (R-Ohio) and David Scott (D-Ga.).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“This legislation continues a long tradition of innovation at the FHA by addressing a primary obstacle preventing many minority and low- and moderate-income families from becoming home owners — the lack of funds necessary for a downpayment,” said Wilson.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Designed to be financially self-supporting while building a record of success, the pilot program established by the bill would enable the FHA to insure up to 50,000 zero downpayment mortgages for first-time home buyers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Home buyers would be required to pay a 2.25% mortgage insurance premium (MIP) for the loan upfront, compared to the 1.5% that is required for an FHA single-family loan with a 3% downpayment, and an annual MIP of 75 instead of 50 basis points for the first five years of the loan.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;retards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio has some of the most bogus real estate situations in the nation!  The state is filled with fraud and they push amazing loans with state backing!</p>
<p>Re:  While the overall rate of foreclosures in the Eugene-Springfield area doesn’t come close to those in some of the nation’s hot spots — Nevada, California, Florida, Michigan and Ohio top the list — the dramatic local increase in 2007 has drawn the attention of observers.</p>
<p>from 2005:  <br />A bipartisan legislative proposal establishing a pilot program for Federal Housing Administration (FHA) insurance of zero downpayment mortgages would significantly increase homeownership opportunities for the nation’s working families, NAHB told Congress on June 30.</p>
<p>Appearing before the House Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity, NAHB President David Wilson testified in support of H.R. 3043, the “Zero Downpayment Pilot Program Act of 2005,” which was introduced by Reps. Patrick Tiberi (R-Ohio) and David Scott (D-Ga.).</p>
<p>“This legislation continues a long tradition of innovation at the FHA by addressing a primary obstacle preventing many minority and low- and moderate-income families from becoming home owners — the lack of funds necessary for a downpayment,” said Wilson.</p>
<p>Designed to be financially self-supporting while building a record of success, the pilot program established by the bill would enable the FHA to insure up to 50,000 zero downpayment mortgages for first-time home buyers.</p>
<p>Home buyers would be required to pay a 2.25% mortgage insurance premium (MIP) for the loan upfront, compared to the 1.5% that is required for an FHA single-family loan with a 3% downpayment, and an annual MIP of 75 instead of 50 basis points for the first five years of the loan.</p>
<p>>>>>>retards!</p>
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		<title>By: mmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Jackson is missing the forest for the trees. Yes, these few cases are getting a lot of play. Why? I doubt that a lot of borrowers expect that they will get a &quot;get out of jail free&quot; card by having their bank unable to prove that they have the right to foreclose.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, people are angry about banks and financial institutions. You have gotcha credit card offers, unjustifiably high fees for minor screw-ups (they weren&#039;t regarded as a profit center 25 years ago),  and examples of people regularly reported in the press of  misrepresentation by mortgage brokers of the terms of the mortgage (along with plenty of reporting of borrowers being greedy, dumb, or unlucky). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In days of yore, if a borrower got into trouble, everyone knew the best solution in the vast majority of cases was a renegotiation of the terms. Now as has been widely discussed, banks have cut way back on their workout staffs and don&#039;t seem to think it&#039;s worth the bother and expense to try to see if it makes economic sense not to foreclose (admittedly, their hands may be tied by the servicing agreement).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So the public likes these stories because its shadenfreude. If a consumer didn&#039;t understand the terms of his mortgage or credit card agreement, tough, he has to live with them. And if the banks didn&#039;t bother keeping good enough files to satisfy a judge that they really do have the right to foreclose, too bad for them. That&#039;s what&#039;s at work here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Jackson is missing the forest for the trees. Yes, these few cases are getting a lot of play. Why? I doubt that a lot of borrowers expect that they will get a &#8220;get out of jail free&#8221; card by having their bank unable to prove that they have the right to foreclose.</p>
<p>No, people are angry about banks and financial institutions. You have gotcha credit card offers, unjustifiably high fees for minor screw-ups (they weren&#8217;t regarded as a profit center 25 years ago),  and examples of people regularly reported in the press of  misrepresentation by mortgage brokers of the terms of the mortgage (along with plenty of reporting of borrowers being greedy, dumb, or unlucky). </p>
<p>In days of yore, if a borrower got into trouble, everyone knew the best solution in the vast majority of cases was a renegotiation of the terms. Now as has been widely discussed, banks have cut way back on their workout staffs and don&#8217;t seem to think it&#8217;s worth the bother and expense to try to see if it makes economic sense not to foreclose (admittedly, their hands may be tied by the servicing agreement).</p>
<p>So the public likes these stories because its shadenfreude. If a consumer didn&#8217;t understand the terms of his mortgage or credit card agreement, tough, he has to live with them. And if the banks didn&#8217;t bother keeping good enough files to satisfy a judge that they really do have the right to foreclose, too bad for them. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s at work here.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An attorney general sticking his nose in private suits is one matter, that clearly is pretty questionable. But the judges have been dismissing the cases without prejudice, Yves said that. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the banks can&#039;t satisfy the documentary requirements on a second or third go, that&#039;s their problem.  It says they&#039;ve done a pretty crappy job of record-keeping. Any party to a private contract has to prove the validity of their standing, whether it&#039;s a bank or just two individuals dealing with each other.  I don&#039;t see the point in getting exercised about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ,</p>
<p>An attorney general sticking his nose in private suits is one matter, that clearly is pretty questionable. But the judges have been dismissing the cases without prejudice, Yves said that. </p>
<p>If the banks can&#8217;t satisfy the documentary requirements on a second or third go, that&#8217;s their problem.  It says they&#8217;ve done a pretty crappy job of record-keeping. Any party to a private contract has to prove the validity of their standing, whether it&#8217;s a bank or just two individuals dealing with each other.  I don&#8217;t see the point in getting exercised about this.</p>
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		<title>By: P. Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a non-issue beyond the press orgy on it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m getting pretty tired of reporters interviewing defendant&#039;s counsel and then writing a story on it as if it were the gospel. See &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.housingwire.com/2008/02/15/commentary-ohio-ag-sees-foreclosure-push-backfire/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; for a recent ruling in Ohio that might have surprised AG Marc Dann and some reporters, but isn&#039;t a surprise to anyone who actually knows this stuff.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From the magistrate&#039;s ruling: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Those saying the original note is needed] conflate the need for real property transactions to be in writing with Ohio&#039;s recording statutes....under the Uniform Commercial Code as codified in Ohio, parties to a Note, subsequent holders of the Note, nonholders in possession of the Note who have the rights of holders, and persons not in possession of the Note who are entitled to enforce the Note pursuant to other statutory requirements, may enforce the terms of the note as to each other. &lt;strong&gt;Parties falling within these legal categories may enforce the terms of the Note even if the Note is lost, stolen, or destroyed.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;California is pretty much the same way. Judges often decide to rule in ways that meet the whims of the public they serve, but it doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re following the law or that borrowers get to keep their home.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is only one way to keep a home, and that&#039;s by paying a mortgage. We can bicker all we want about who is to blame for putting borrowers into mortgages they can&#039;t afford, we can brainstorm plans to keep them there -- we can even discuss who subsidizes such a move -- but to suggest that homes are &quot;free&quot; because of a lack of recording is just plain inane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves -</p>
<p>This is a non-issue beyond the press orgy on it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting pretty tired of reporters interviewing defendant&#8217;s counsel and then writing a story on it as if it were the gospel. See <a HREF="http://www.housingwire.com/2008/02/15/commentary-ohio-ag-sees-foreclosure-push-backfire/" REL="nofollow">this post</a> for a recent ruling in Ohio that might have surprised AG Marc Dann and some reporters, but isn&#8217;t a surprise to anyone who actually knows this stuff.</p>
<p>From the magistrate&#8217;s ruling: </p>
<p>[Those saying the original note is needed] conflate the need for real property transactions to be in writing with Ohio&#8217;s recording statutes&#8230;.under the Uniform Commercial Code as codified in Ohio, parties to a Note, subsequent holders of the Note, nonholders in possession of the Note who have the rights of holders, and persons not in possession of the Note who are entitled to enforce the Note pursuant to other statutory requirements, may enforce the terms of the note as to each other. <strong>Parties falling within these legal categories may enforce the terms of the Note even if the Note is lost, stolen, or destroyed.</strong></p>
<p>California is pretty much the same way. Judges often decide to rule in ways that meet the whims of the public they serve, but it doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re following the law or that borrowers get to keep their home.</p>
<p>There is only one way to keep a home, and that&#8217;s by paying a mortgage. We can bicker all we want about who is to blame for putting borrowers into mortgages they can&#8217;t afford, we can brainstorm plans to keep them there &#8212; we can even discuss who subsidizes such a move &#8212; but to suggest that homes are &#8220;free&#8221; because of a lack of recording is just plain inane.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...  Along the lines of the tree falling in the empty forest, if there is no holder of record of the mortgage, is there a mortgage?  Whatever the answer, there is still the mortgage on the real estate record - how do you get it released (if, say, you want to sell) if there is no mortgagee?  A mortgagee is required by law to record a release of the mortgage when the debt is repaid (although here in California homeowners have had to resort to litigation to force lenders to comply with this law).  In this case, being able to live in the house &quot;for free&quot; is nice, but selling it may be a headache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;  Along the lines of the tree falling in the empty forest, if there is no holder of record of the mortgage, is there a mortgage?  Whatever the answer, there is still the mortgage on the real estate record &#8211; how do you get it released (if, say, you want to sell) if there is no mortgagee?  A mortgagee is required by law to record a release of the mortgage when the debt is repaid (although here in California homeowners have had to resort to litigation to force lenders to comply with this law).  In this case, being able to live in the house &#8220;for free&#8221; is nice, but selling it may be a headache.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jojo,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Agreed, that&#039;s why I said in my intro to the article that I had no sympathy with the people quoted who were accusing judges of favoritism towards the locals or saying their demands that the plaintiffs prove they had standing (the right to pursue the claim) was &quot;a waste of time.&quot; Guess banks believe in the rule of law only when it works in their favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jojo,</p>
<p>Agreed, that&#8217;s why I said in my intro to the article that I had no sympathy with the people quoted who were accusing judges of favoritism towards the locals or saying their demands that the plaintiffs prove they had standing (the right to pursue the claim) was &#8220;a waste of time.&#8221; Guess banks believe in the rule of law only when it works in their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: jojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The judges are following the law.  In the US, a lender bears the burden of proof in establishing its right to foreclose.  Otherwise, they are stuck on equal footing with all unsecured lenders to the debtor.  This is nothing new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>The judges are following the law.  In the US, a lender bears the burden of proof in establishing its right to foreclose.  Otherwise, they are stuck on equal footing with all unsecured lenders to the debtor.  This is nothing new.</p>
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