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	<title>Comments on: Thomas Palley: &quot;The Debt Delusion&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/02/thomas-palley-debt-delusion.html#comment-39039</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get back to the wage growth, lower trade deficit model one would have to get the FED to dramatically change course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since wages represent 80% of the economy, their focus on inflation was an assault on wages.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The capitalists ended up being the only benficiary from productivity. Now the capitalist have learnt their lesson: the slaves can longer afford to gouge themselves on lower incomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get back to the wage growth, lower trade deficit model one would have to get the FED to dramatically change course.</p>
<p>Since wages represent 80% of the economy, their focus on inflation was an assault on wages.</p>
<p>The capitalists ended up being the only benficiary from productivity. Now the capitalist have learnt their lesson: the slaves can longer afford to gouge themselves on lower incomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/02/thomas-palley-debt-delusion.html#comment-11672</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are figuring the foresightful run. The trade insurances of the past few tens were as much geopolitics as economic.&lt;br/&gt;____________________________&lt;br/&gt;james&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.mydebtconsolidation.name&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Debt Consolidation&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are figuring the foresightful run. The trade insurances of the past few tens were as much geopolitics as economic.<br />____________________________<br />james<br /><a HREF="http://www.mydebtconsolidation.name" REL="nofollow">Debt Consolidation</a></p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/02/thomas-palley-debt-delusion.html#comment-4537</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my above, the tildes do not appear as such and are intended to represent &#039;approx.&#039; not minus signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my above, the tildes do not appear as such and are intended to represent &#8216;approx.&#8217; not minus signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/02/thomas-palley-debt-delusion.html#comment-4536</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eyeballing the productivity v. compensation chart (Index 1959 = 100) in Palley&#039;s November 2007 paper &lt;i&gt;Financialization: What it is and Why it Matters&lt;/i&gt;,  compensation in 1978 was ~140 while productivity was ~160; for 2005, these had become, respectively, ~150 and ~270.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Somewhat contrary to Palley, though, I would argue that this - and the soon to follow financialization - were driven by firms&#039; attempts to prevent the steep decline in average rate of profit experienced as the &#039;golden age of capitalism&#039; (1950-1970) came to an end. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;NB that such crisis (which, on a rate rather than mass of profit basis has not been overcome) also promoted a turn towards increasingly speculative activities or, as Patrick Bond put it in 2003:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;...capitalists begin to shift their investable funds out of reinvestment in plant, equipment and labour power, and instead seek refuge in financial assets. To fulfil their new role as not only store of value but as investment outlet for overaccumulated capital, those financial assets must be increasingly capable of generating their own self-expansion, and also be protected (at least temporarily) against devaluation in the form of both financial crashes and inflation. Such emerging needs mean that financiers, who are after all competing against other profit-seeking capitalists for resources, induce a shift in the function of finance away from merely accommodating the circulation of capital through production, and increasingly towards both speculative and control functions. The speculative function attracts further flows of productive capital, and the control function expands to ensure the protection and the reproduction of financial markets. Where inflation may be a threat, the control functions of finance often result in high real interest rates and a reduction in the value of labour- power (and hence lower effective demand). Where bankruptcies threaten to spread as a result of overenthusiastic speculation, the control functions attempt to shift those costs elsewhere.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, today we begin to notice that more than inflating asset prices and credit are required and that these increasingly undermine rather than offset but, heck, this has been known for at least 160 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eyeballing the productivity v. compensation chart (Index 1959 = 100) in Palley&#8217;s November 2007 paper <i>Financialization: What it is and Why it Matters</i>,  compensation in 1978 was ~140 while productivity was ~160; for 2005, these had become, respectively, ~150 and ~270.</p>
<p>Somewhat contrary to Palley, though, I would argue that this &#8211; and the soon to follow financialization &#8211; were driven by firms&#8217; attempts to prevent the steep decline in average rate of profit experienced as the &#8216;golden age of capitalism&#8217; (1950-1970) came to an end. </p>
<p>NB that such crisis (which, on a rate rather than mass of profit basis has not been overcome) also promoted a turn towards increasingly speculative activities or, as Patrick Bond put it in 2003:</p>
<p><i>&#8230;capitalists begin to shift their investable funds out of reinvestment in plant, equipment and labour power, and instead seek refuge in financial assets. To fulfil their new role as not only store of value but as investment outlet for overaccumulated capital, those financial assets must be increasingly capable of generating their own self-expansion, and also be protected (at least temporarily) against devaluation in the form of both financial crashes and inflation. Such emerging needs mean that financiers, who are after all competing against other profit-seeking capitalists for resources, induce a shift in the function of finance away from merely accommodating the circulation of capital through production, and increasingly towards both speculative and control functions. The speculative function attracts further flows of productive capital, and the control function expands to ensure the protection and the reproduction of financial markets. Where inflation may be a threat, the control functions of finance often result in high real interest rates and a reduction in the value of labour- power (and hence lower effective demand). Where bankruptcies threaten to spread as a result of overenthusiastic speculation, the control functions attempt to shift those costs elsewhere.</i></p>
<p>So, today we begin to notice that more than inflating asset prices and credit are required and that these increasingly undermine rather than offset but, heck, this has been known for at least 160 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Kalecki&#039;s reserve army of the unemployed is big enough, workers may be too scared to demand a bigger piece of the pie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Kalecki&#8217;s reserve army of the unemployed is big enough, workers may be too scared to demand a bigger piece of the pie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other Anon, &lt;br/&gt;Productivity gains only occur if the quantity of output increases with a given quantity of labor.&lt;br/&gt;Wages lose ground to inflation over time not because of FED policy, but because of the economic myth that productivity gains are passed on to the worker rather than the shareholders or consumers. If they can keep labor believing they get paid more if they work harder, workers won&#039;t demand a new system.&lt;br/&gt;That time has come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other Anon, <br />Productivity gains only occur if the quantity of output increases with a given quantity of labor.<br />Wages lose ground to inflation over time not because of FED policy, but because of the economic myth that productivity gains are passed on to the worker rather than the shareholders or consumers. If they can keep labor believing they get paid more if they work harder, workers won&#8217;t demand a new system.<br />That time has come.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please let me know if I have something wrong here: As I understand it, the Fed intently focuses on keeping wage inflation lower than the general inflation rate (which I assume accounts for productivity increases). Doesn&#039;t this mean that wages will increasingly lose ground to inflation over time? In other words, doesn&#039;t Fed policy necessarily imply declining living standards? Or do I have something wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please let me know if I have something wrong here: As I understand it, the Fed intently focuses on keeping wage inflation lower than the general inflation rate (which I assume accounts for productivity increases). Doesn&#8217;t this mean that wages will increasingly lose ground to inflation over time? In other words, doesn&#8217;t Fed policy necessarily imply declining living standards? Or do I have something wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palley has it dead right on wages. The fed don&#039;t talk about wages they discuss productivity. It is the sanitized and globalized vocabulary of the elite. To begin to discuss this is to call into question the foundation and superstructure that has grown up around it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;OFHEO moves today to raise portfolio caps and Congressman Franks falling in line with Blinder are just the latest in a series of backward looking action. Triage is one thing, but the forward look is another.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bernanke is essentially financing the banks. Look at the results of the Tafy auctions results. The number of bidders and the bid to cover is steadily increasing. The trend is not your friend in this instance. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All the bailout in the world will only exacerbate the slingshot blowback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palley has it dead right on wages. The fed don&#8217;t talk about wages they discuss productivity. It is the sanitized and globalized vocabulary of the elite. To begin to discuss this is to call into question the foundation and superstructure that has grown up around it. </p>
<p>OFHEO moves today to raise portfolio caps and Congressman Franks falling in line with Blinder are just the latest in a series of backward looking action. Triage is one thing, but the forward look is another.</p>
<p>Bernanke is essentially financing the banks. Look at the results of the Tafy auctions results. The number of bidders and the bid to cover is steadily increasing. The trend is not your friend in this instance. </p>
<p>All the bailout in the world will only exacerbate the slingshot blowback.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This proposal sounds like class warfare.  The rich won&#039;t allow wages to claim a higher percentage of GDP without a fight...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This proposal sounds like class warfare.  The rich won&#8217;t allow wages to claim a higher percentage of GDP without a fight&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/02/thomas-palley-debt-delusion.html#comment-4517</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US consumer has had to search elsewhere for &quot;wealth&quot; as it is increasingly out of reach. The free agency star system has been taken to an extreme. The dislocations wriought by the mal incentives built into the gorssly disproportionate pay across certain industries is economically inefficient in the long run. We are entering the long run. The trade policies of the past few decades were as much geopolitical as economic. That side of the equation is vastly underfollowed. The peace dividend circa early 90s should have included a radical reassessment of doctrine. Instead we had corporations push the wage arbitrage as their only means to survival, itself a gross exaggeration. So now we have all time high profit margins and gross systemic imbalance that can only be reconciled by painful actions. The collision course is set. Like the Roger clemosn testimony, someone is lying here. The systemic meltdown speaks to who that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US consumer has had to search elsewhere for &#8220;wealth&#8221; as it is increasingly out of reach. The free agency star system has been taken to an extreme. The dislocations wriought by the mal incentives built into the gorssly disproportionate pay across certain industries is economically inefficient in the long run. We are entering the long run. The trade policies of the past few decades were as much geopolitical as economic. That side of the equation is vastly underfollowed. The peace dividend circa early 90s should have included a radical reassessment of doctrine. Instead we had corporations push the wage arbitrage as their only means to survival, itself a gross exaggeration. So now we have all time high profit margins and gross systemic imbalance that can only be reconciled by painful actions. The collision course is set. Like the Roger clemosn testimony, someone is lying here. The systemic meltdown speaks to who that is.</p>
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