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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Mozillo&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;LOL!  This is the greatest thread ever written.....Im OTFLMAO</description>
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<p>LOL!  This is the greatest thread ever written&#8230;..Im OTFLMAO</p>
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		<title>By: doc pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Communist sleeper cells:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Look at what they call sleeper cells,” he says. “That’s a fantastic idea. Now we have to create a structure of volunteers, of sleeper cells, all around the country. In case of disaster, you just wake up the sleeper cell, and they’ll know what to do.” &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Communist sleeper cells:</p>
<p>“Look at what they call sleeper cells,” he says. “That’s a fantastic idea. Now we have to create a structure of volunteers, of sleeper cells, all around the country. In case of disaster, you just wake up the sleeper cell, and they’ll know what to do.” </p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: h2odragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>h2odragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anon 8:07 was being sarcastic, right?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes. And not realizing that the unregulated market in loans exists and usually functions very efficently: Somebody (often with a name like &quot;Vinny the Squirrel&quot;) makes sure loans and interest get paid, instead of whining about &quot;should the regulators allowed us to loan other people&#039;s money out on unpayable terms&quot; or bailouts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the regulated market for loans wasn&#039;t so poorly regulated, and/or the goals the regulators were attempting to serve were more sensible; perhaps the unregulated market wouldn&#039;t be so ugly. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d really like to see what the loan sharks&#039; business has been like the past decade, though: I suspect their legally operating competition has encroached on many of their traditional customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anon 8:07 was being sarcastic, right?</i></p>
<p>Yes. And not realizing that the unregulated market in loans exists and usually functions very efficently: Somebody (often with a name like &#8220;Vinny the Squirrel&#8221;) makes sure loans and interest get paid, instead of whining about &#8220;should the regulators allowed us to loan other people&#8217;s money out on unpayable terms&#8221; or bailouts.</p>
<p>If the regulated market for loans wasn&#8217;t so poorly regulated, and/or the goals the regulators were attempting to serve were more sensible; perhaps the unregulated market wouldn&#8217;t be so ugly. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to see what the loan sharks&#8217; business has been like the past decade, though: I suspect their legally operating competition has encroached on many of their traditional customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 8:07 was being sarcastic, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 8:07 was being sarcastic, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love free markets.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I feed free market corn to my parakeet and the residuals rain down on free market paper shreds. I ask free markets for a pension and one is delivered, just like pizza. I get ill and go to free market and he sells me expensive drugs and cheap cigarettes. I went to free markets for a house and got a loan for 800K, even though I pick strawberries for a living.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then I tried marrying free markets. WOW. Talk about being taken to the cleaners!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love free markets.</p>
<p>I feed free market corn to my parakeet and the residuals rain down on free market paper shreds. I ask free markets for a pension and one is delivered, just like pizza. I get ill and go to free market and he sells me expensive drugs and cheap cigarettes. I went to free markets for a house and got a loan for 800K, even though I pick strawberries for a living.</p>
<p>Then I tried marrying free markets. WOW. Talk about being taken to the cleaners!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen many comments like those of anon 8:07, blaming our current financial problems on regulation and arguing that free, unregulated markets are the solution (and presumably the preventive). The most cursory review of 19th-century US history will reveal repeated banking crises and real-estate bubbles in an unregulated market, often leading to lengthy, painful depressions. These problems help explain why we now have a regulatory apparatus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen many comments like those of anon 8:07, blaming our current financial problems on regulation and arguing that free, unregulated markets are the solution (and presumably the preventive). The most cursory review of 19th-century US history will reveal repeated banking crises and real-estate bubbles in an unregulated market, often leading to lengthy, painful depressions. These problems help explain why we now have a regulatory apparatus.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth remembering the Pillar 2 of Basel II gives national supervisors the right (and indeed responsibility) to impose additional capital charges when they feel the minimum requirements under Pillar 1 do not adequately cover risks. Also, only banks operating under the IRB approach (the larger, internationally active banks) will be able to use internal models.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The real debate on Basel 2 at the moment is over the way it enshrines credit ratings at the heart of the capital adequacy rules right at the moment the credibility of those ratings is in question. But nobody wants to do over the whole thing, since it took 10 years and countless millions of dollars to get this far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering the Pillar 2 of Basel II gives national supervisors the right (and indeed responsibility) to impose additional capital charges when they feel the minimum requirements under Pillar 1 do not adequately cover risks. Also, only banks operating under the IRB approach (the larger, internationally active banks) will be able to use internal models.</p>
<p>The real debate on Basel 2 at the moment is over the way it enshrines credit ratings at the heart of the capital adequacy rules right at the moment the credibility of those ratings is in question. But nobody wants to do over the whole thing, since it took 10 years and countless millions of dollars to get this far.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The commentators in this string are obviously part of communist sleeper cells who seek to undermine free market capitalism.  If regulators set capital requirements, then markets go from being free to being enslaved.  The markets know best.  And, a quick -- and honest -- look at the current crisis confirms this.  As Countrywide&#039;s Mozillo told us nearly a year ago, the subprime business only moved into crisis territory because regulators started to threaten to act.  The better, wiser and truer free market approach would be to shut down the Federal Reserve, get rid of the SEC, terminate all regulatory agencies at all levels of government, and let the markets be free.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Luckily, free market capitalism continues to gain market share in government itself.  The free marketeers clearly have the ear of Bernanke, Paulson et al.  And, both the administration and congress are working closely with free marketeers to ensure we get free market, voluntary innovations in response to the securitization and slow growth patch of choppy waters.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, I&#039;m with John McCain.  If it takes a hundred or a thousand years, we need to stay the course to make sure free markets become even freer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The commentators in this string are obviously part of communist sleeper cells who seek to undermine free market capitalism.  If regulators set capital requirements, then markets go from being free to being enslaved.  The markets know best.  And, a quick &#8212; and honest &#8212; look at the current crisis confirms this.  As Countrywide&#8217;s Mozillo told us nearly a year ago, the subprime business only moved into crisis territory because regulators started to threaten to act.  The better, wiser and truer free market approach would be to shut down the Federal Reserve, get rid of the SEC, terminate all regulatory agencies at all levels of government, and let the markets be free.  </p>
<p>Luckily, free market capitalism continues to gain market share in government itself.  The free marketeers clearly have the ear of Bernanke, Paulson et al.  And, both the administration and congress are working closely with free marketeers to ensure we get free market, voluntary innovations in response to the securitization and slow growth patch of choppy waters.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m with John McCain.  If it takes a hundred or a thousand years, we need to stay the course to make sure free markets become even freer.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of idiots would let the banks determine their own capital requirements (by allowing them to rig their own risk models)?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These idiots would have allowed many of the big banks (which were already undercapitalized as a result of CDO/MBS losses) to lower their capital requirements by more than 50%.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The regulators&#039; logic (or lack thereof) behind this is:  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t know (or don&#039;t understand) what&#039;s on the books of the banks---therefore let them set their own capital requirements&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I totally agree with the last comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of idiots would let the banks determine their own capital requirements (by allowing them to rig their own risk models)?</p>
<p>These idiots would have allowed many of the big banks (which were already undercapitalized as a result of CDO/MBS losses) to lower their capital requirements by more than 50%.</p>
<p>The regulators&#8217; logic (or lack thereof) behind this is:  </p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know (or don&#8217;t understand) what&#8217;s on the books of the banks&#8212;therefore let them set their own capital requirements&#8221;.</p>
<p>I totally agree with the last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I was saying this in comments about a month ago.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, here&#039;s really what needs to be done.  Regulators need to assign the amount of capital that banks hold.  Period.  Having the banks decide is laughable.  I happened to have a hand in discussions about implementation of Basel II at a bank a few years back; it was - of course - how to create the models so they were in the bank&#039;s favor and capital requirements were minimal.  What else should regulators expect?  The bank&#039;s CEO is paid in stock; you think he&#039;s going to want to hold lots of capital for risks he doesn&#039;t even understand?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regulators need to decide.  A corollary is that they need to be able to understand every product in a bank&#039;s books, in order to be able to assign a risk rating.  Or, if they can&#039;t understand it, an extremely punitive amount of capital needs to be held.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This will naturally be the end of IBing as we know it, but that will be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I was saying this in comments about a month ago.  </p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s really what needs to be done.  Regulators need to assign the amount of capital that banks hold.  Period.  Having the banks decide is laughable.  I happened to have a hand in discussions about implementation of Basel II at a bank a few years back; it was &#8211; of course &#8211; how to create the models so they were in the bank&#8217;s favor and capital requirements were minimal.  What else should regulators expect?  The bank&#8217;s CEO is paid in stock; you think he&#8217;s going to want to hold lots of capital for risks he doesn&#8217;t even understand?</p>
<p>Regulators need to decide.  A corollary is that they need to be able to understand every product in a bank&#8217;s books, in order to be able to assign a risk rating.  Or, if they can&#8217;t understand it, an extremely punitive amount of capital needs to be held.</p>
<p>This will naturally be the end of IBing as we know it, but that will be a good thing.</p>
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