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		<title>By: insurance guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>insurance guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Fed is going to offer a lifeline to a non-bank (or any bank for that matter), it should also get a call option on the institution.  That way, if this does in fact turn out to be just a short term liquidity issue for Bear, the Fed will get the upside - not shareholders or management.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the crisis turns out to be a genuine solvency issue, the Fed would then have time to analyze the assets and determine whether the situation was so dire that a public bailout would be necessary.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Counterparties might even gain confidence in the entity with the potential for a Fed, deep pocket,  takeover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Fed is going to offer a lifeline to a non-bank (or any bank for that matter), it should also get a call option on the institution.  That way, if this does in fact turn out to be just a short term liquidity issue for Bear, the Fed will get the upside &#8211; not shareholders or management.  </p>
<p>If the crisis turns out to be a genuine solvency issue, the Fed would then have time to analyze the assets and determine whether the situation was so dire that a public bailout would be necessary.  </p>
<p>Counterparties might even gain confidence in the entity with the potential for a Fed, deep pocket,  takeover.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the standard model of the American Corporation:&lt;br/&gt;Privatize the profits-&lt;br/&gt;Socialize the risk.&lt;br/&gt;Why should they risk anything, they are the elite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the standard model of the American Corporation:<br />Privatize the profits-<br />Socialize the risk.<br />Why should they risk anything, they are the elite?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fed really had no choice.  This bailout isn&#039;t for the benefit of Bear&#039;s management or shareholders; it&#039;s for the benefit of Bear&#039;s counterparties.  The Fed can&#039;t allow counterparty risk panic to freeze the credit market even further, not at this critical point when things were seizing up again, which the TSLF was supposed to fix.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder if Bear was hit by the &quot;Carlyle Capital effect&quot;.  The TSLF probably had the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2008/03/the_fed_and_carlyle.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;perverse effect of killing Carlyle Capital&lt;/a&gt;, the exact opposite of what was intended (Robert Peston @ BBC, via &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.aleablog.com/unintended-consequences-fed-kills-carlyle/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alea&lt;/a&gt;).  The TSLF gave creditors every incentive to seize Carlyle Capital&#039;s collateral in order to present it at the Fed window in exchange for &quot;lovely liquid Treasuries&quot;, something which Carlyle Capital itself couldn&#039;t do.  Bear, on the other hand, &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; allowed to use the TSLF... but the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/03/14/The-Bear-Facts&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TSLF doesn&#039;t go live until March 27&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This suggests two things: first, the Bear bailout is much less significant than meets the eye, because it&#039;s just a Bear-only jumpstart to the TSLF which would have saved Bear anyway.  In other words, it&#039;s nothing really new or different from the TSLF itself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And secondly, an awful conspiracy theory presents itself: were Bear&#039;s creditors trying to deliberately hasten its demise (a la Carlyle) before Bear could take advantage of the TSLF, so they could grab Bear&#039;s collateral and turn it into desperately needed liquidity for themselves?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bernanke must be truly annoyed, because today&#039;s Bear debacle rather spoiled the carefully orchestrated impact of the TSLF rollout.  Perhaps he needs to send an envoy to Bear&#039;s creditors to softly suggest to them to never, ever do such a thing again.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hear Eliot Spitzer is looking for a job...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fed really had no choice.  This bailout isn&#8217;t for the benefit of Bear&#8217;s management or shareholders; it&#8217;s for the benefit of Bear&#8217;s counterparties.  The Fed can&#8217;t allow counterparty risk panic to freeze the credit market even further, not at this critical point when things were seizing up again, which the TSLF was supposed to fix.</p>
<p>I wonder if Bear was hit by the &#8220;Carlyle Capital effect&#8221;.  The TSLF probably had the <a HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2008/03/the_fed_and_carlyle.html" REL="nofollow">perverse effect of killing Carlyle Capital</a>, the exact opposite of what was intended (Robert Peston @ BBC, via <a HREF="http://www.aleablog.com/unintended-consequences-fed-kills-carlyle/" REL="nofollow">Alea</a>).  The TSLF gave creditors every incentive to seize Carlyle Capital&#8217;s collateral in order to present it at the Fed window in exchange for &#8220;lovely liquid Treasuries&#8221;, something which Carlyle Capital itself couldn&#8217;t do.  Bear, on the other hand, <i>is</i> allowed to use the TSLF&#8230; but the <a HREF="http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/03/14/The-Bear-Facts" REL="nofollow">TSLF doesn&#8217;t go live until March 27</a>.</p>
<p>This suggests two things: first, the Bear bailout is much less significant than meets the eye, because it&#8217;s just a Bear-only jumpstart to the TSLF which would have saved Bear anyway.  In other words, it&#8217;s nothing really new or different from the TSLF itself.</p>
<p>And secondly, an awful conspiracy theory presents itself: were Bear&#8217;s creditors trying to deliberately hasten its demise (a la Carlyle) before Bear could take advantage of the TSLF, so they could grab Bear&#8217;s collateral and turn it into desperately needed liquidity for themselves?</p>
<p>Bernanke must be truly annoyed, because today&#8217;s Bear debacle rather spoiled the carefully orchestrated impact of the TSLF rollout.  Perhaps he needs to send an envoy to Bear&#8217;s creditors to softly suggest to them to never, ever do such a thing again.</p>
<p>I hear Eliot Spitzer is looking for a job&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out yves!!!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let me just conclude by saying that the terms of the rescue package engendered by the Fed also raise troubling questions of financial concentration and antitrust. As a group working together, the new owners can have a greater impact on markets than in competition with one another. In this regard, it should be understood that the Fed&#039;s unprecedented extension of the too-big-to-fail doctrine to a hedge fund does not insulate the fund and its new owners from the constraints of the Sherman and Clayton acts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The bailout may involve a tendency toward concentration that the Justice Department has an obligation to review.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;HEDGE FUND OPERATIONS&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1, 1998&lt;br/&gt;U.S. House of Representatives,&lt;br/&gt;Committee on Banking and Financial Services,&lt;br/&gt;Washington, DC.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://commdocs.house.gov/commit.../ hba51526_0.HTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out yves!!!!</p>
<p>Let me just conclude by saying that the terms of the rescue package engendered by the Fed also raise troubling questions of financial concentration and antitrust. As a group working together, the new owners can have a greater impact on markets than in competition with one another. In this regard, it should be understood that the Fed&#8217;s unprecedented extension of the too-big-to-fail doctrine to a hedge fund does not insulate the fund and its new owners from the constraints of the Sherman and Clayton acts.</p>
<p>The bailout may involve a tendency toward concentration that the Justice Department has an obligation to review.</p>
<p>HEDGE FUND OPERATIONS</p>
<p>THURSDAY, OCTOBER 1, 1998<br />U.S. House of Representatives,<br />Committee on Banking and Financial Services,<br />Washington, DC.</p>
<p><a href="http://commdocs.house.gov/commit.../" rel="nofollow">http://commdocs.house.gov/commit&#8230;/</a> hba51526_0.HTM</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This situation is reminiscent of Richard Bookstaber&#039;s observation, that the modern financial system is now &quot;tightly coupled&quot; like a nuclear reactor. A lot of little processes have to operate correctly within fairly narrow parameters. Fairly minor things going awry can have systemic consequences.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reason I said it would have been good for Bear to fail was two-fold, The first was moral hazard. However, now that it looks pretty certain that Bear is not going to survive as an independent firm,  and may well be liquidated on an orderly basis, a la LTCM, pretty much eliminates the moral hazard issue.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, we still have the second problem that this is still relatively early in the underlying mortgage crisis. We simply won&#039;t know how bad the defaults and recoveries will be until at least well into 2009, perhaps later. But the wheels have already started coming off the financial system. It has a lot more shocks to endure before we are through this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This situation is reminiscent of Richard Bookstaber&#8217;s observation, that the modern financial system is now &#8220;tightly coupled&#8221; like a nuclear reactor. A lot of little processes have to operate correctly within fairly narrow parameters. Fairly minor things going awry can have systemic consequences.</p>
<p>The reason I said it would have been good for Bear to fail was two-fold, The first was moral hazard. However, now that it looks pretty certain that Bear is not going to survive as an independent firm,  and may well be liquidated on an orderly basis, a la LTCM, pretty much eliminates the moral hazard issue.</p>
<p>However, we still have the second problem that this is still relatively early in the underlying mortgage crisis. We simply won&#8217;t know how bad the defaults and recoveries will be until at least well into 2009, perhaps later. But the wheels have already started coming off the financial system. It has a lot more shocks to endure before we are through this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, wanted to add this in to the above:  Bernanke has no ego about such matters, and he consulted extensively with Timothy Geithner, the president of the New York Fed, as well as with Kevin Warsh, a fast-rising 37-year-old Fed governor and former investment banker at Morgan Stanley, whose unofficial role is to keep tabs on Wall Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, wanted to add this in to the above:  Bernanke has no ego about such matters, and he consulted extensively with Timothy Geithner, the president of the New York Fed, as well as with Kevin Warsh, a fast-rising 37-year-old Fed governor and former investment banker at Morgan Stanley, whose unofficial role is to keep tabs on Wall Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice old story here worth reading!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Education of Ben Bernanke&lt;br/&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=8&amp;oref=slogin&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Soon after Bernanke’s speech in May, two hedge funds organized by Bear Stearns reported huge mortgage-related losses. Credit markets were suddenly jittery. When the committee met on Aug. 7, many expected it to give markets a little relief by easing the fed funds rate, then at 5.25 percent.&lt;br/&gt;On Friday, Aug. 10, the New York Fed pumped $38 billion into the markets, several times as much as on a normal Friday. Meanwhile, some of the governors, as well as William Dudley, a former Goldman Sachs economist and now the markets chief of the New York Fed, were canvassing C.E.O.’s, bank executives, traders and the like. Warsh, who was dialing contacts from his Wall Street days, was alarmed by what he heard. A source he described as a “hedge-fund billionaire” told him that credit assets weren’t trading; people didn’t want them at any price. “Markets weren’t functioning,” he says. “That is very dangerous for a central banker to hear.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Guess Warsh as a Wall Street connection is kinda in doubt here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice old story here worth reading!</p>
<p>The Education of Ben Bernanke<br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html?_r=1&#038;pagewanted=8&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20Ben-Bernanke-t.html?_r=1&#038;pagewanted=8&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>Soon after Bernanke’s speech in May, two hedge funds organized by Bear Stearns reported huge mortgage-related losses. Credit markets were suddenly jittery. When the committee met on Aug. 7, many expected it to give markets a little relief by easing the fed funds rate, then at 5.25 percent.<br />On Friday, Aug. 10, the New York Fed pumped $38 billion into the markets, several times as much as on a normal Friday. Meanwhile, some of the governors, as well as William Dudley, a former Goldman Sachs economist and now the markets chief of the New York Fed, were canvassing C.E.O.’s, bank executives, traders and the like. Warsh, who was dialing contacts from his Wall Street days, was alarmed by what he heard. A source he described as a “hedge-fund billionaire” told him that credit assets weren’t trading; people didn’t want them at any price. “Markets weren’t functioning,” he says. “That is very dangerous for a central banker to hear.”</p>
<p>Guess Warsh as a Wall Street connection is kinda in doubt here?</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the point about bonuses cannot be shouted loudly enough. The bonuses paid for 2007 were criminal. The IBs knew it, but the pigs that they are couldn&#039;t refuse one last gulp at the trough.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hmmm! They went after Grasso for his compensation. I wonder if the same will happen for the IBs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should shareholders&#039; lawsuits proceed, the discovery process could reveal very interesting things indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the point about bonuses cannot be shouted loudly enough. The bonuses paid for 2007 were criminal. The IBs knew it, but the pigs that they are couldn&#8217;t refuse one last gulp at the trough.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm! They went after Grasso for his compensation. I wonder if the same will happen for the IBs.</p>
<p>Should shareholders&#8217; lawsuits proceed, the discovery process could reveal very interesting things indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I&#039;m not sure if &quot;bailout&quot; is the right word when applied to Bear.  Bear is finished as an independent firm; at least I&#039;d be very surprised if they survive.  What it is, as commented above, is a bailout for others on Wall Street.  It would have been wipe-out time had BS just gone done without any assistance.  Mind you, it&#039;s only a matter of time before Lehman or Citi hit the wall now, so even for Wall Street, it&#039;s not so much a question of if, but when.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the point about bonuses cannot be shouted loudly enough.  The bonuses paid for 2007 were criminal.  The IBs knew it, but the pigs that they are couldn&#039;t refuse one last gulp at the trough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I&#8217;m not sure if &#8220;bailout&#8221; is the right word when applied to Bear.  Bear is finished as an independent firm; at least I&#8217;d be very surprised if they survive.  What it is, as commented above, is a bailout for others on Wall Street.  It would have been wipe-out time had BS just gone done without any assistance.  Mind you, it&#8217;s only a matter of time before Lehman or Citi hit the wall now, so even for Wall Street, it&#8217;s not so much a question of if, but when.</p>
<p>I think the point about bonuses cannot be shouted loudly enough.  The bonuses paid for 2007 were criminal.  The IBs knew it, but the pigs that they are couldn&#8217;t refuse one last gulp at the trough.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Warsh was at the meeting, or if he was out to lunch shopping for toys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Warsh was at the meeting, or if he was out to lunch shopping for toys?</p>
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