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		<title>By: Mike13833</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike13833</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;increasingly common to use credit reports as part of the new hire screening process...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I first heard of this practice , I thought that for most jobs , it&#039;s downright silly . Does it ever occur to anyone that a bad credit rating might be tied to being &lt;b&gt; UNEMPLOYED?&lt;/b&gt;. In other words, it&#039;s a Catch-22 situation , that this practice can further perpetuate. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;i&gt;... it has become common practice to put vendors to large corporations through a formal approval process..&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; I can attest to the folly of that . I worked for a landscaping/garden center/sod farm business. We recieved a request from Lowe&#039;s to sell them sod . They sought us out, not the other way around . Most of our larger sod sales were based on a handshake deal, or even more commonly, just a phone call . If somebody wasn&#039;t a good customer , they got no more sod . The next closet grower was &gt; 100 miles away , and had the wrong soil , which caused problems . Suffice it to say , there was a substantial penalty for bad behavior . For our part , any poor performance (not that we would) could hurt other aspects of the business , through word-of-mouth criticism. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;   Along comes the BigBoxMarts. They were offering sod that was grown far away, on a different soil than our area , of poorer quality ( less care and younger age) that cost more to ship, that spent more time in transit . Even though he was skeptical of the long trem effect on our business, my boss, the owner agreed to become a vendor . That is , until the vendor agreement arrived . It was a twenty-page booklet . Even so he started to fill it out . Then, as he got further into it ,my boss got more and more irritated , until he threw it across the room , into the garbage .&lt;br/&gt;   The deal was one-sided, intrusive, insulting &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; we wouldn&#039;t get paid for 90 days . Also if they mishandled it, and killed it , they wouldn&#039;t have to pay. Lowe&#039;s could have had a better product, at less expense, with a same-day (3-4hrs) response time for more , but process trumped everything else .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post .</p>
<p><i>increasingly common to use credit reports as part of the new hire screening process&#8230;</i></p>
<p>When I first heard of this practice , I thought that for most jobs , it&#8217;s downright silly . Does it ever occur to anyone that a bad credit rating might be tied to being <b> UNEMPLOYED?</b>. In other words, it&#8217;s a Catch-22 situation , that this practice can further perpetuate. </p>
<p>  <i>&#8230; it has become common practice to put vendors to large corporations through a formal approval process..</i></p>
<p> I can attest to the folly of that . I worked for a landscaping/garden center/sod farm business. We recieved a request from Lowe&#8217;s to sell them sod . They sought us out, not the other way around . Most of our larger sod sales were based on a handshake deal, or even more commonly, just a phone call . If somebody wasn&#8217;t a good customer , they got no more sod . The next closet grower was > 100 miles away , and had the wrong soil , which caused problems . Suffice it to say , there was a substantial penalty for bad behavior . For our part , any poor performance (not that we would) could hurt other aspects of the business , through word-of-mouth criticism. </p>
<p>   Along comes the BigBoxMarts. They were offering sod that was grown far away, on a different soil than our area , of poorer quality ( less care and younger age) that cost more to ship, that spent more time in transit . Even though he was skeptical of the long trem effect on our business, my boss, the owner agreed to become a vendor . That is , until the vendor agreement arrived . It was a twenty-page booklet . Even so he started to fill it out . Then, as he got further into it ,my boss got more and more irritated , until he threw it across the room , into the garbage .<br />   The deal was one-sided, intrusive, insulting <i>and</i> we wouldn&#8217;t get paid for 90 days . Also if they mishandled it, and killed it , they wouldn&#8217;t have to pay. Lowe&#8217;s could have had a better product, at less expense, with a same-day (3-4hrs) response time for more , but process trumped everything else .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5287</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent thinking. One aspect that might be worth discussing further is the fact that the Fair Credit Reporting Act, which regulates to some degree the use and sharing of FICO scores (among other credit bureau info), uses language that explicitly identifies the character concern. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It defines a &quot;credit report&quot; as being &quot;any written, oral, or other communication of any information...bearing on a consumer&#039;s credit worthiness, credit standing, credit capacity, CHARACTER, general reputation, personal characteristics, or mode of living...&quot; (emphasis mine).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is it possible that this has misled lenders into believing that FICO is a stand-in for character?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thinking. One aspect that might be worth discussing further is the fact that the Fair Credit Reporting Act, which regulates to some degree the use and sharing of FICO scores (among other credit bureau info), uses language that explicitly identifies the character concern. </p>
<p>It defines a &#8220;credit report&#8221; as being &#8220;any written, oral, or other communication of any information&#8230;bearing on a consumer&#8217;s credit worthiness, credit standing, credit capacity, CHARACTER, general reputation, personal characteristics, or mode of living&#8230;&#8221; (emphasis mine).</p>
<p>Is it possible that this has misled lenders into believing that FICO is a stand-in for character?</p>
<p>E</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5231</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trult fine post, thank you!&lt;br/&gt;It is interesting how discussion about morality nowadays always involves rationality. Rationality seems to say one should always be selfish. And being moral means you sometimes do something that&#039;s not selfish. And, horror of horrors, that&#039;s not rational! What if the deal is that being moral means being irrational? Contributing something without expecting anything in return certainly is irrational, but without that, what would life be like?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it is indeed an interesting drama to watch the profit-seeking crowd sing the hymns to morality - as they perceive that strange and beautiful creature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trult fine post, thank you!<br />It is interesting how discussion about morality nowadays always involves rationality. Rationality seems to say one should always be selfish. And being moral means you sometimes do something that&#8217;s not selfish. And, horror of horrors, that&#8217;s not rational! What if the deal is that being moral means being irrational? Contributing something without expecting anything in return certainly is irrational, but without that, what would life be like?</p>
<p>But it is indeed an interesting drama to watch the profit-seeking crowd sing the hymns to morality &#8211; as they perceive that strange and beautiful creature.</p>
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		<title>By: rexl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymous 3/15;12:04pm&lt;br/&gt;i don&#039;t need anonymity for what i wrote.  yes, there have been other &#039;bubbles&#039;. but not so expertly &#039;engineered&#039;.  and if the building and bridges begin collapsing then the engineers who designed them and those who trained them should be interrogated.  not merely asked for solutions to the current problem.  &lt;br/&gt;this current situation was created by people with very good educations and pedigrees. not mother nature or the carpenter&#039;s union.  &lt;br/&gt;but at least class is still in session and some real lessons are on the way.  there will be a test.&lt;br/&gt;the assinine is in your mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous 3/15;12:04pm<br />i don&#8217;t need anonymity for what i wrote.  yes, there have been other &#8216;bubbles&#8217;. but not so expertly &#8216;engineered&#8217;.  and if the building and bridges begin collapsing then the engineers who designed them and those who trained them should be interrogated.  not merely asked for solutions to the current problem.  <br />this current situation was created by people with very good educations and pedigrees. not mother nature or the carpenter&#8217;s union.  <br />but at least class is still in session and some real lessons are on the way.  there will be a test.<br />the assinine is in your mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5223</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refer to &lt;br/&gt;Max Weber:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Protestant Ethic and Capitalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refer to <br />Max Weber:</p>
<p>Protestant Ethic and Capitalism</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5222</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yves, try this:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The July 2005 Report of the Counterparty Risk Management Policy Group II draws a distinction between financial disturbances and systemic or potentially systemic &quot;financial shocks.&quot;  An excerpt from the report follows: &lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;“Financial disturbances arise with some frequency and can have their origins in a number of factors ranging from a geopolitical event such as September 11 to a failure of a specific financial or nonfinancial corporation. However, financial disturbances do not exhibit the very rapid contagion effects present in financial shocks.  The absence of rapid and far reaching contagion effects may be due to any number of factors including: (1) the event was widely discounted in the first place, (2) public or private policy responses are swift and decisive, and/or (3) the event does not raise broad-based concerns about potential or actual credit losses that could compromise the ability of financial counterparties to perform in a manner consistent with their obligations. Credit-related problems, as discussed below, are of special concern because — as we have seen on many occasions — financial markets have a remarkable capacity to cope with financial disturbances so long as widespread credit problems are not seen as an imminent threat. Experience also shows that the fact or the fear of large credit losses is often the key variable through which financial disturbances become financial shocks.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yves, try this:</p>
<p>The July 2005 Report of the Counterparty Risk Management Policy Group II draws a distinction between financial disturbances and systemic or potentially systemic &#8220;financial shocks.&#8221;  An excerpt from the report follows: </p>
<p>“Financial disturbances arise with some frequency and can have their origins in a number of factors ranging from a geopolitical event such as September 11 to a failure of a specific financial or nonfinancial corporation. However, financial disturbances do not exhibit the very rapid contagion effects present in financial shocks.  The absence of rapid and far reaching contagion effects may be due to any number of factors including: (1) the event was widely discounted in the first place, (2) public or private policy responses are swift and decisive, and/or (3) the event does not raise broad-based concerns about potential or actual credit losses that could compromise the ability of financial counterparties to perform in a manner consistent with their obligations. Credit-related problems, as discussed below, are of special concern because — as we have seen on many occasions — financial markets have a remarkable capacity to cope with financial disturbances so long as widespread credit problems are not seen as an imminent threat. Experience also shows that the fact or the fear of large credit losses is often the key variable through which financial disturbances become financial shocks.”</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, fantastic, that&#039;s the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, fantastic, that&#8217;s the article.</p>
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		<title>By: gaddeswarup</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5220</link>
		<dc:creator>gaddeswarup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the paper of Bhide that was mentioned:&lt;br/&gt;With Howard Stevenson, &quot;Why Be Honest if Honesty Doesn&#039;t Pay,&quot; Harvard Business Review, V 68, N 5: pp. 121-129, September-October 1990.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the paper of Bhide that was mentioned:<br />With Howard Stevenson, &#8220;Why Be Honest if Honesty Doesn&#8217;t Pay,&#8221; Harvard Business Review, V 68, N 5: pp. 121-129, September-October 1990.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5219</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countrywide Financial (CFC) is trying to block a federal inquiry into the way it treats bankrupt borrowers, according to the Wall Street Journal on Friday. Reportedly, the Justice Department is leading the inquiry. The Office of the U.S. Trustee is also suing the troubled mortgage lender on similar issues in Florida, Georgia and Ohio. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The investigation is looking to allegations against Countrywide Financial about possible securities fraud and checking whether the company made misrepresentations about its financial state as well as the condition of its mortgages in its filings. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Countrywide probe was first reported by the Wall Street Journal on Saturday, identifying it as one of the fourteen companies under investigation by the FBI as part of a larger investigation into the mortgage crisis. In late January, the FBI announced that it was probing 14 loan agencies for accounting fraud, insider trading, and various other violations in relation to subprime mortgage loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countrywide Financial (CFC) is trying to block a federal inquiry into the way it treats bankrupt borrowers, according to the Wall Street Journal on Friday. Reportedly, the Justice Department is leading the inquiry. The Office of the U.S. Trustee is also suing the troubled mortgage lender on similar issues in Florida, Georgia and Ohio. </p>
<p>The investigation is looking to allegations against Countrywide Financial about possible securities fraud and checking whether the company made misrepresentations about its financial state as well as the condition of its mortgages in its filings. </p>
<p>The Countrywide probe was first reported by the Wall Street Journal on Saturday, identifying it as one of the fourteen companies under investigation by the FBI as part of a larger investigation into the mortgage crisis. In late January, the FBI announced that it was probing 14 loan agencies for accounting fraud, insider trading, and various other violations in relation to subprime mortgage loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/character-and-capitalism.html#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;Then you would really enjoy the work of Ernst Fehr.  Do a Google search and you&#039;ll get to his website(s) which have a wealth of information on fairness, cooperation and social norms.  He is widely published in main stream economics journals so he is a &quot;serious&quot; economist.  He also collaborates with cultural anthropologist to look at the evolution of fairness and norms across cultures.  One of his basic points is that you only need a few good apples to keep certain markets alive and create trust.  Then even the selfish bastards will conform because they want to appear trustworthy as well.  So having a few good apples can actually create a self-enforcing mechanism in the marketplace.  Of course, this research is still somewhat in its infancy so a lot more needs to be done to understand the interaction between institutions, formal enforcement and self enforcement, but it&#039;s a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,<br />Then you would really enjoy the work of Ernst Fehr.  Do a Google search and you&#8217;ll get to his website(s) which have a wealth of information on fairness, cooperation and social norms.  He is widely published in main stream economics journals so he is a &#8220;serious&#8221; economist.  He also collaborates with cultural anthropologist to look at the evolution of fairness and norms across cultures.  One of his basic points is that you only need a few good apples to keep certain markets alive and create trust.  Then even the selfish bastards will conform because they want to appear trustworthy as well.  So having a few good apples can actually create a self-enforcing mechanism in the marketplace.  Of course, this research is still somewhat in its infancy so a lot more needs to be done to understand the interaction between institutions, formal enforcement and self enforcement, but it&#8217;s a start.</p>
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