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	<title>Comments on: Monoline Death Watch: California Sells Big Unisured Issue; Marty Whitman Sounds Off</title>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ackman has no interest in seeing the monoline&#039;s insurnace subsidiaries fail; his attack is on the holding companies, which have been getting dividends from the insurance subs even though they have been posting losses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very few of Ackman&#039;s critics have read what he has written. He has repeatedly given regulators proposals about what to do to protect the insured subs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Moreover, investors who have been on the monolines&#039; conference calls for years have written to tell me that the stories that have appeared in the press, with specifics as to what the ratings agencies said in private to the companies, show them to have been liars. That is probably a big part of why the market have been down on them; they&#039;ve shown they aren&#039;t truthful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ackman has no interest in seeing the monoline&#8217;s insurnace subsidiaries fail; his attack is on the holding companies, which have been getting dividends from the insurance subs even though they have been posting losses.</p>
<p>Very few of Ackman&#8217;s critics have read what he has written. He has repeatedly given regulators proposals about what to do to protect the insured subs.</p>
<p>Moreover, investors who have been on the monolines&#8217; conference calls for years have written to tell me that the stories that have appeared in the press, with specifics as to what the ratings agencies said in private to the companies, show them to have been liars. That is probably a big part of why the market have been down on them; they&#8217;ve shown they aren&#8217;t truthful.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The point is that Ackman wins if the monolines go under. Even if he&#039;s right about their financial position, and he has been so far, there&#039;s no reason whatsoever to listen to his proposals for a solution. His interests are diametrically opposed to those of most of the country, indeed the world.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Monolines, together with the rating agencies, business is a scam, and every municipality is waking up to the fact. Defaults on munis are orders of magnitude lower than on corporate &quot;AAA&quot; paper, there virtually is nothing to insure against. The trash CDOs were rated AAA, and every pension fund bought those, but the low-risk munis need insurance? Ackman is right, and his interests are in line with the rest of the country, and every town in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The point is that Ackman wins if the monolines go under. Even if he&#8217;s right about their financial position, and he has been so far, there&#8217;s no reason whatsoever to listen to his proposals for a solution. His interests are diametrically opposed to those of most of the country, indeed the world.</i></p>
<p>Monolines, together with the rating agencies, business is a scam, and every municipality is waking up to the fact. Defaults on munis are orders of magnitude lower than on corporate &#8220;AAA&#8221; paper, there virtually is nothing to insure against. The trash CDOs were rated AAA, and every pension fund bought those, but the low-risk munis need insurance? Ackman is right, and his interests are in line with the rest of the country, and every town in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/monoline-death-watch-california-sells.html#comment-4755</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;AMBAC and MBIA execs testimony can be assumed to be entirely disinterested, I guess. &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Did I say that? Of course the monolines are going to talk up their business. The point is that Ackman wins if the monolines go under. Even if he&#039;s right about their financial position, and he has been so far, there&#039;s no reason whatsoever to listen to his proposals for a solution. His interests are diametrically opposed to those of most of the country, indeed the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AMBAC and MBIA execs testimony can be assumed to be entirely disinterested, I guess. &#8220;</p>
<p>Did I say that? Of course the monolines are going to talk up their business. The point is that Ackman wins if the monolines go under. Even if he&#8217;s right about their financial position, and he has been so far, there&#8217;s no reason whatsoever to listen to his proposals for a solution. His interests are diametrically opposed to those of most of the country, indeed the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chance of fundamental value investor Marty Whitman being wrong is extremely small. Ackman is a short. He has an agenda. Whitman probably understands this company better than anybody and he has no reason to lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chance of fundamental value investor Marty Whitman being wrong is extremely small. Ackman is a short. He has an agenda. Whitman probably understands this company better than anybody and he has no reason to lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Yves, for pointing out CNBC&#039;s Tuesday leak affecting the market. I was livid when I read that and saw the market&#039;s up response. And the leak was not obviously posted on CNBC or anywhere - I only saw it mentioned on Yahoo&#039;s Finance Market Overview. (Interestingly, earlier Tuesday I noted no update posts on the YFMO webpage for nearly 2 and a half hours - Jeez!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Invisible Hand has many tenacles, eh? It also shows how vulnerable we are to an Orson Welles-type media event ending in financial bliss or chaos, especially when you realize there is an infinite source of Orson Welles-types sources (i.e. CNBC, etc.) out there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;God help us all. Thanks for your great website/blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Steve B.&lt;br/&gt;STL, MO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Yves, for pointing out CNBC&#8217;s Tuesday leak affecting the market. I was livid when I read that and saw the market&#8217;s up response. And the leak was not obviously posted on CNBC or anywhere &#8211; I only saw it mentioned on Yahoo&#8217;s Finance Market Overview. (Interestingly, earlier Tuesday I noted no update posts on the YFMO webpage for nearly 2 and a half hours &#8211; Jeez!)</p>
<p>The Invisible Hand has many tenacles, eh? It also shows how vulnerable we are to an Orson Welles-type media event ending in financial bliss or chaos, especially when you realize there is an infinite source of Orson Welles-types sources (i.e. CNBC, etc.) out there.</p>
<p>God help us all. Thanks for your great website/blog.</p>
<p>Steve B.<br />STL, MO</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMBAC and MBIA execs testimony can be assumed to be entirely disinterested, I guess.  Ken Lay&#039;s statements that ENE was brought down by a &quot;bear raid&quot; can also be taken at face value, since he is a corporate executive, which I believe is by definition a much higher class of individual than some hedgie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMBAC and MBIA execs testimony can be assumed to be entirely disinterested, I guess.  Ken Lay&#8217;s statements that ENE was brought down by a &#8220;bear raid&#8221; can also be taken at face value, since he is a corporate executive, which I believe is by definition a much higher class of individual than some hedgie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/monoline-death-watch-california-sells.html#comment-4746</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Public companies have vastly more resources to bring to bear (no pun intended) that a &quot;well-organized&quot; hedge fund operator. They&#039;ve had years to make their case and have failed miserably.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s all true, but at the same time, pretty much everything Ackman has said and done over the last few months has been intended to kill the monolines. His testimony to Cognress was entirely self-interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Public companies have vastly more resources to bring to bear (no pun intended) that a &#8220;well-organized&#8221; hedge fund operator. They&#8217;ve had years to make their case and have failed miserably.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all true, but at the same time, pretty much everything Ackman has said and done over the last few months has been intended to kill the monolines. His testimony to Cognress was entirely self-interested.</p>
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