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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/we-may-just-have-started-to-feel-pain.html#comment-5385</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which folks are you thinking of?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know IT people, and auditors, and accountants, and for that matter lawyers, all engaged in trying to get businessmen to comply properly with SOx.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Businessmen seem consistently to have dragged their feet at actually doing more than signing their names, believing firmly that SOx was going to be gutted if not cancelled, real soon, because it cost too much to comply.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a clerical-level view of that world, I have too much art, writing, photography, hiking and flying to do in my life to waste time on a professional job, since I can make a decent living just by knowing how to spell, and add and subtract, for professionals who can&#039;t.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Life is good.  Lots of bargains in the USA this new century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which folks are you thinking of?</p>
<p>I know IT people, and auditors, and accountants, and for that matter lawyers, all engaged in trying to get businessmen to comply properly with SOx.</p>
<p>Businessmen seem consistently to have dragged their feet at actually doing more than signing their names, believing firmly that SOx was going to be gutted if not cancelled, real soon, because it cost too much to comply.</p>
<p>This is a clerical-level view of that world, I have too much art, writing, photography, hiking and flying to do in my life to waste time on a professional job, since I can make a decent living just by knowing how to spell, and add and subtract, for professionals who can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Life is good.  Lots of bargains in the USA this new century.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/we-may-just-have-started-to-feel-pain.html#comment-5328</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sarbanes Oxley was about the sum total...and what good has it done?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s enabled the accountants, auditors, and IT System consultants to fill their pockets by selling so-called internal control systems that should have already been implemented according to the auditing standards for granting a clean opinion on a company&#039;s financials.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ironic isn&#039;t it? The folks that failed in their task of preventing all of the fraud and abuses are now profiting from their own incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sarbanes Oxley was about the sum total&#8230;and what good has it done?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s enabled the accountants, auditors, and IT System consultants to fill their pockets by selling so-called internal control systems that should have already been implemented according to the auditing standards for granting a clean opinion on a company&#8217;s financials.</p>
<p>Ironic isn&#8217;t it? The folks that failed in their task of preventing all of the fraud and abuses are now profiting from their own incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if George would like to revisit his social security privatization reform in light of the markets present condition?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Might be a still tougher sell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if George would like to revisit his social security privatization reform in light of the markets present condition?</p>
<p>Might be a still tougher sell?</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because, while the pain of recession may not go away for awhile, the sense of crisis will. And once that happens, there will be powerful interests arrayed against ANY attmepts to improve regulation and oversight.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I partially agree with that statement. However, the likely change in regime and party in November will mean that said powerful interests won&#039;t have a very sympathetic ear in Washington. Plus, a lot of people are more than fed up by the excesses of these powerful people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That would make quite a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because, while the pain of recession may not go away for awhile, the sense of crisis will. And once that happens, there will be powerful interests arrayed against ANY attmepts to improve regulation and oversight.&#8221;</p>
<p>I partially agree with that statement. However, the likely change in regime and party in November will mean that said powerful interests won&#8217;t have a very sympathetic ear in Washington. Plus, a lot of people are more than fed up by the excesses of these powerful people.</p>
<p>That would make quite a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would be far better to get the job done right than get the job done.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I disagree with this. I think it&#039;s equally important to get the job done now. Because, while the pain of recession may not go away for awhile, the sense of crisis will. And once that happens, there will be powerful interests arrayed against ANY attmepts to improve regulation and oversight.&lt;br/&gt;Look what happened to &#039;reform&#039; after the Enron debacle. Sarbanes Oxley was about the sum total...and what good has it done?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any serious overreach, with real economic consequences, can be undone in the future much more easily than any underreach can be remedied.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;flory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would be far better to get the job done right than get the job done.</i></p>
<p>I disagree with this. I think it&#8217;s equally important to get the job done now. Because, while the pain of recession may not go away for awhile, the sense of crisis will. And once that happens, there will be powerful interests arrayed against ANY attmepts to improve regulation and oversight.<br />Look what happened to &#8216;reform&#8217; after the Enron debacle. Sarbanes Oxley was about the sum total&#8230;and what good has it done?</p>
<p>Any serious overreach, with real economic consequences, can be undone in the future much more easily than any underreach can be remedied.</p>
<p>flory</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Teasdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Teasdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes the current crisis so much different from any we have known is the confluence of systematic and structural risks; a) a vast and imploding OTC derivatives market place, b) excessive asset focused money supply growth, c) an imbalanced global economy dependent on wildly over burdened consumers dependent on asset prices dependent on excessive financial leverage now falling back through the banking system. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;US consumer demand as a % of GDP is probably 2% to 4% points above where it should be.  In a recession, we could see an overshoot (consumer demand could decline to 62% to 64% of GDP) given the current debt load and declining asset prices; but this declining PCE will also be accompanied by a declining GDP.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We are not yet on the ground and, if we hit the ground expect no mercy.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Andrew Teasdale&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The TAMRIS Consultancy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes the current crisis so much different from any we have known is the confluence of systematic and structural risks; a) a vast and imploding OTC derivatives market place, b) excessive asset focused money supply growth, c) an imbalanced global economy dependent on wildly over burdened consumers dependent on asset prices dependent on excessive financial leverage now falling back through the banking system. </p>
<p>US consumer demand as a % of GDP is probably 2% to 4% points above where it should be.  In a recession, we could see an overshoot (consumer demand could decline to 62% to 64% of GDP) given the current debt load and declining asset prices; but this declining PCE will also be accompanied by a declining GDP.  </p>
<p>We are not yet on the ground and, if we hit the ground expect no mercy.  </p>
<p>Andrew Teasdale</p>
<p>The TAMRIS Consultancy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real pain is a few years off as the dollar collapse, bonds skyrocket, leading to a collapse of the commodity markets, and the baby boomer&#039;s getting stiffed on their social security. Fun times ahead for the empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real pain is a few years off as the dollar collapse, bonds skyrocket, leading to a collapse of the commodity markets, and the baby boomer&#8217;s getting stiffed on their social security. Fun times ahead for the empire.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very elegant piece indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very elegant piece indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/03/we-may-just-have-started-to-feel-pain.html#comment-5242</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just hope that this puts a final death knell on the great University of Chicago social experiment of deregulating everything in sight.  As Menzie Chinn at Econbrowser puts it: &quot;free markets are not necessarily competitive markets.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just hope that this puts a final death knell on the great University of Chicago social experiment of deregulating everything in sight.  As Menzie Chinn at Econbrowser puts it: &#8220;free markets are not necessarily competitive markets.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what this paper leaves out is the international dimension of the problem.  Sure, housing prices skyrocketed in the U.S., but they also did in all the Anglo-Saxon countries, most of Europe, Dubai, and probably other places that I haven&#039;t followed.  So I think the study only can underestimate the consequences of the bursting of the bubble.  It will be worse, not better, than what history indicates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what this paper leaves out is the international dimension of the problem.  Sure, housing prices skyrocketed in the U.S., but they also did in all the Anglo-Saxon countries, most of Europe, Dubai, and probably other places that I haven&#8217;t followed.  So I think the study only can underestimate the consequences of the bursting of the bubble.  It will be worse, not better, than what history indicates.</p>
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