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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/buyout-clos-used-for-fed-loans.html#comment-6687</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Examples of something similar, which has already been happening in Europe for some time?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.euromoney.com/Article/1884656/ABS-Spanish-banks-take-ECB-repo-with-both-hands.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;European banks are issuing asset-backed securities in massive amounts and pledging them to the European Central Bank as collateral on its term repo funding. Since September, more than 50% of European ABS issuance has been used as ECB collateral.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JC11Dj07.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Thus, we have found out that European banks have continued to issue billions of euros-worth of residential mortgage backed securities (RMBS) that are never sold to any investor. After securing the rating, the securities, which are simply paper representing actual mortgages in the books of various banks, are pledged as collateral to the ECB and liquidity lines are drawn.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Examples of something similar, which has already been happening in Europe for some time?</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.euromoney.com/Article/1884656/ABS-Spanish-banks-take-ECB-repo-with-both-hands.html" REL="nofollow">&#8220;European banks are issuing asset-backed securities in massive amounts and pledging them to the European Central Bank as collateral on its term repo funding. Since September, more than 50% of European ABS issuance has been used as ECB collateral.&#8221;</a></p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JC11Dj07.html" REL="nofollow">&#8220;Thus, we have found out that European banks have continued to issue billions of euros-worth of residential mortgage backed securities (RMBS) that are never sold to any investor. After securing the rating, the securities, which are simply paper representing actual mortgages in the books of various banks, are pledged as collateral to the ECB and liquidity lines are drawn.&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/buyout-clos-used-for-fed-loans.html#comment-6668</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Intimate&#039; as an exchange of precious bodily fluids.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Fed is only now doing what the ECB has been doing since August:  that&#039;s called follow the Leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Intimate&#8217; as an exchange of precious bodily fluids.  </p>
<p>The Fed is only now doing what the ECB has been doing since August:  that&#8217;s called follow the Leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been questions concerning the collateral the Fed is accepting and the Fed-chief assures that the Fed is being cautious and has &quot;intimate knowledge&quot; of what they are taking in.  The impression is that he is confidant that the tweaking of the system the Fed has carried out is working and, even as more shoes keep dropping (with the sting of each apparently losing velocity), the rewiring of the system will skirt further trouble. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Re:  &quot;intimate&quot;, does that imply a long romance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been questions concerning the collateral the Fed is accepting and the Fed-chief assures that the Fed is being cautious and has &#8220;intimate knowledge&#8221; of what they are taking in.  The impression is that he is confidant that the tweaking of the system the Fed has carried out is working and, even as more shoes keep dropping (with the sting of each apparently losing velocity), the rewiring of the system will skirt further trouble. </p>
<p>Re:  &#8220;intimate&#8221;, does that imply a long romance?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See we all were wrong and the monolines were right ! It turns out the sub-slime gooboo is AAA after all !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See we all were wrong and the monolines were right ! It turns out the sub-slime gooboo is AAA after all !</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNBC is seriously in need of goijng off air. Steve Liesman should be posted to the GE parking lot. He is officially dangerous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNBC is seriously in need of goijng off air. Steve Liesman should be posted to the GE parking lot. He is officially dangerous</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;The proposal to give new tax breaks to homebuilders and banks is yet another example of the pernicious trend of privatizing profit and socializing losses, which is gnawing away at faith in the system. Dilute the shareholders, not the taxpayers.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Visits to The Fed/Treasury clinics:&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Methadone has traditionally been provided to people who are opiate dependant in a highly regulated methadone clinic, generally associated with an outpatient department of a hospital, though this varies country by country. For example in Australia, Methadone maitenance treatment (MMT) is delivered by private pharmacies for a nominal fee to the client (regardless of the fact it is free as it is subsidised by the Federal government).&lt;br/&gt;In many Western countries, new patients are required to visit the clinic daily so that they may be observed taking their dose by the dispensing nurse, but may be allowed to leave the clinic with increasing supplies of &quot;take home doses&quot; after several months of adherence to the clinic&#039;s regulations, including consistent negative drug-screen results. The way that MMT is delivered in some countries create barriers to scaling up access to the treatment. For example, in Australia, people who are on MMT are dosed in designated area in front of other pharmacy customers. This can inhibit people&#039;s willingness to access treatment due to a lack of confidentiality and anonymity. In some countries or regions, law stipulates that clinics may provide at most one week&#039;s worth of methadone, (up to 30 days in the USA) except for patients unable to visit the clinic without undue hardship due to a medical disability or infrequent exceptions made for necessary travel to areas without clinics, and this level is only reached after a few years of proper results.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;&gt;  IMHO, any bank or builder begging for taxpayer cash should have every detail of fraud accounting brought before a bankruptcy court and they should sit in fron of a public jury and be crucified!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;The proposal to give new tax breaks to homebuilders and banks is yet another example of the pernicious trend of privatizing profit and socializing losses, which is gnawing away at faith in the system. Dilute the shareholders, not the taxpayers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Visits to The Fed/Treasury clinics:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone</a></p>
<p>Methadone has traditionally been provided to people who are opiate dependant in a highly regulated methadone clinic, generally associated with an outpatient department of a hospital, though this varies country by country. For example in Australia, Methadone maitenance treatment (MMT) is delivered by private pharmacies for a nominal fee to the client (regardless of the fact it is free as it is subsidised by the Federal government).<br />In many Western countries, new patients are required to visit the clinic daily so that they may be observed taking their dose by the dispensing nurse, but may be allowed to leave the clinic with increasing supplies of &#8220;take home doses&#8221; after several months of adherence to the clinic&#8217;s regulations, including consistent negative drug-screen results. The way that MMT is delivered in some countries create barriers to scaling up access to the treatment. For example, in Australia, people who are on MMT are dosed in designated area in front of other pharmacy customers. This can inhibit people&#8217;s willingness to access treatment due to a lack of confidentiality and anonymity. In some countries or regions, law stipulates that clinics may provide at most one week&#8217;s worth of methadone, (up to 30 days in the USA) except for patients unable to visit the clinic without undue hardship due to a medical disability or infrequent exceptions made for necessary travel to areas without clinics, and this level is only reached after a few years of proper results.</p>
<p>>>  IMHO, any bank or builder begging for taxpayer cash should have every detail of fraud accounting brought before a bankruptcy court and they should sit in fron of a public jury and be crucified!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was under the impression that this has already been the practice for some months already in Europe: packaging stuff expressly for presenting to the ECB. Also, I believe the ECB has all along had the latitude (in terms of counterparties it deals with and the financial instruments they present to it) that the Fed has just recently given itself.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is correct, the ECB has always repo&#039;d a wide variety of collateral types for wide variety of counterparties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was under the impression that this has already been the practice for some months already in Europe: packaging stuff expressly for presenting to the ECB. Also, I believe the ECB has all along had the latitude (in terms of counterparties it deals with and the financial instruments they present to it) that the Fed has just recently given itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is correct, the ECB has always repo&#8217;d a wide variety of collateral types for wide variety of counterparties.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that this has already been the practice for some months already in Europe: packaging stuff expressly for presenting to the ECB.  Also, I believe the ECB has all along had the latitude (in terms of counterparties it deals with and the financial instruments they present to it) that the Fed has just recently given itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that this has already been the practice for some months already in Europe: packaging stuff expressly for presenting to the ECB.  Also, I believe the ECB has all along had the latitude (in terms of counterparties it deals with and the financial instruments they present to it) that the Fed has just recently given itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Molten_Tofu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molten_Tofu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I&#039;ve got this right:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Recent CLO deals have been ``eating into the massive overhang of leveraged bank loans and alleviating some of the stress in the capital markets,&#039;&#039; said Peter Plaut, an analyst at hedge fund Sanno Point Capital Management in New York.They&#039;re also ``an easy way for banks to reduce balance sheet risk, which indirectly helps reduce capital requirements, by funding the AAA through the Fed and selling the equity, which provides high yield to investors,&#039;&#039; Plaut said.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;High yield because they&#039;re high risk.  So lets see: Banks/etc can&#039;t sell they&#039;re sketchy loans, so they transfer said loans to what essentially amounts to a shell company (a CLO), buy the sketchy loans off themselves using money from bonds sold to the Fed, and sell stock in their new shell company to investors for a quick profit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Exact technicals aside, am I getting the gist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I&#8217;ve got this right:</p>
<p>&#8220;Recent CLO deals have been &#8220;eating into the massive overhang of leveraged bank loans and alleviating some of the stress in the capital markets,&#8221; said Peter Plaut, an analyst at hedge fund Sanno Point Capital Management in New York.They&#8217;re also &#8220;an easy way for banks to reduce balance sheet risk, which indirectly helps reduce capital requirements, by funding the AAA through the Fed and selling the equity, which provides high yield to investors,&#8221; Plaut said.&#8221;</p>
<p>High yield because they&#8217;re high risk.  So lets see: Banks/etc can&#8217;t sell they&#8217;re sketchy loans, so they transfer said loans to what essentially amounts to a shell company (a CLO), buy the sketchy loans off themselves using money from bonds sold to the Fed, and sell stock in their new shell company to investors for a quick profit.</p>
<p>Exact technicals aside, am I getting the gist?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Waldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A rumor is circulating that Lehman sold $2.5 billion in CLOs, but the buyer insisted Lehman retain 25% of the worst tranches. Oh, and that buyer was the Fed.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sold, or borrowed against on loose terms and indefinite duration? The economic distinction between the two is fuzzy, but if the Fed has bought anything outright other than as part of the Bear deal, that is big news. I&#039;d like to know more... (Perhaps the &quot;sale&quot; was a repo, which is after all, legally change of ownership? Then Lehman could get away with chirping about its deal without technically lying, and the Fed could be the lucky purchaser, without technically buying...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A rumor is circulating that Lehman sold $2.5 billion in CLOs, but the buyer insisted Lehman retain 25% of the worst tranches. Oh, and that buyer was the Fed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sold, or borrowed against on loose terms and indefinite duration? The economic distinction between the two is fuzzy, but if the Fed has bought anything outright other than as part of the Bear deal, that is big news. I&#8217;d like to know more&#8230; (Perhaps the &#8220;sale&#8221; was a repo, which is after all, legally change of ownership? Then Lehman could get away with chirping about its deal without technically lying, and the Fed could be the lucky purchaser, without technically buying&#8230;)</p>
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