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	<title>Comments on: Credit Default Swaps and Bank Leverage</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/credit-default-swaps-and-bank-leverage.html#comment-20918</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if the volume of CDS exceeds the value of the marketplace, then wouldn&#039;t an efficient market cause bankruptcy so that the CDS&#039;s pay off?  That is, if the value of bonds defaulting exceeds the value of not defaulting, then shouldn&#039;t a market that maximizes value cause defaults?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if the volume of CDS exceeds the value of the marketplace, then wouldn&#8217;t an efficient market cause bankruptcy so that the CDS&#8217;s pay off?  That is, if the value of bonds defaulting exceeds the value of not defaulting, then shouldn&#8217;t a market that maximizes value cause defaults?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/credit-default-swaps-and-bank-leverage.html#comment-6955</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one recalls the colloquial context for &#039;daisy chain,&#039; this is a most fitting description!  As vlade says en brief above, it&#039;s the mismatch potential that makes life interesting here.  In principle, these CDS positions offset, 31 T white snarks and 31 T black snarks; they just couple up two by two, no harm, no foul.  But if one be a boojum and a link in the daisy chain drops out . . . all fall down.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These instruments are indeed &#039;weapons of mass financial destruction&#039; equivalent in their way to neutron bombs:  if they go boof, they leave the buildings but kill the money.  It would be perhaps the greatest show in the history of the world since the cometary vaporization of 13 kya, but we must might get the financial equivalent of a middling Ice Age out of it.  . . . I&#039;ll wait for the movie, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one recalls the colloquial context for &#8216;daisy chain,&#8217; this is a most fitting description!  As vlade says en brief above, it&#8217;s the mismatch potential that makes life interesting here.  In principle, these CDS positions offset, 31 T white snarks and 31 T black snarks; they just couple up two by two, no harm, no foul.  But if one be a boojum and a link in the daisy chain drops out . . . all fall down.  </p>
<p>These instruments are indeed &#8216;weapons of mass financial destruction&#8217; equivalent in their way to neutron bombs:  if they go boof, they leave the buildings but kill the money.  It would be perhaps the greatest show in the history of the world since the cometary vaporization of 13 kya, but we must might get the financial equivalent of a middling Ice Age out of it.  . . . I&#8217;ll wait for the movie, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said: &quot;Fuld and Dimon, both of whom are directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York BTW, would be calling upon Chairman Bernanke to rescue them from leveraged OTC swamp? Guess they&#039;re not laughing now - or are they?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I say: Yes they are laughing. Nothing like a good transfer of taxpayer&#039;s money to their pockets to get a good laugh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: &#8220;Fuld and Dimon, both of whom are directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York BTW, would be calling upon Chairman Bernanke to rescue them from leveraged OTC swamp? Guess they&#8217;re not laughing now &#8211; or are they?&#8221;</p>
<p>I say: Yes they are laughing. Nothing like a good transfer of taxpayer&#8217;s money to their pockets to get a good laugh</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/credit-default-swaps-and-bank-leverage.html#comment-6937</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big problem with trying to have an intelligent discussion re CDS is the lack of decent data. The $62 trillion number is scary, but it doesn&#039;t tell you what you&#039;d like to know, which is what the economic exposure is (oh, but then again, that&#039;s calculated by the banks themselves, using their own models). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I dimly recall a BIS chart which put the economic exposure at 2% of notional across the entire market (anyone with better factoids encouraged to speak up). Of course, that level isn&#039;t static. It ought to go up with corporate credit deteriorating and volatility increasing. And the amount of CDS written relative to cash bonds tends to be higher on distressed credits.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anon of 3:34 PM, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think there is any way of knowing, since this is an OTC market, but with London a bigger hedge fund center than the US, and some foreign banks being very active in CDS, like Paribas and UBS, a high proportion has to be overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big problem with trying to have an intelligent discussion re CDS is the lack of decent data. The $62 trillion number is scary, but it doesn&#8217;t tell you what you&#8217;d like to know, which is what the economic exposure is (oh, but then again, that&#8217;s calculated by the banks themselves, using their own models). </p>
<p>I dimly recall a BIS chart which put the economic exposure at 2% of notional across the entire market (anyone with better factoids encouraged to speak up). Of course, that level isn&#8217;t static. It ought to go up with corporate credit deteriorating and volatility increasing. And the amount of CDS written relative to cash bonds tends to be higher on distressed credits.</p>
<p>Anon of 3:34 PM, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any way of knowing, since this is an OTC market, but with London a bigger hedge fund center than the US, and some foreign banks being very active in CDS, like Paribas and UBS, a high proportion has to be overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody know how much exposure foreign banks/hedge funds have to CDS&#039;s?  It has been argued that the Fed intervened to prevent BSC from going bankrupt because that would set off a chain reaction of bank failures tied to CDS&#039;s.  Looking forward, however, might the initial event that leads to this presumed chain reaction come from a failure at a foreign bank, such as in Europe where the ECB is more concerned with price stability and inflation than here than the Fed, and therefore might not be as willing to intervene?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody know how much exposure foreign banks/hedge funds have to CDS&#8217;s?  It has been argued that the Fed intervened to prevent BSC from going bankrupt because that would set off a chain reaction of bank failures tied to CDS&#8217;s.  Looking forward, however, might the initial event that leads to this presumed chain reaction come from a failure at a foreign bank, such as in Europe where the ECB is more concerned with price stability and inflation than here than the Fed, and therefore might not be as willing to intervene?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like that &quot;banksters&quot; but wouldn&#039;t bangsters be better. And let&#039;s all remember it&#039;s Home Debtorship not Home Ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like that &#8220;banksters&#8221; but wouldn&#8217;t bangsters be better. And let&#8217;s all remember it&#8217;s Home Debtorship not Home Ownership.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/credit-default-swaps-and-bank-leverage.html#comment-6930</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone catch the $1B of gains on spread widening that JP had in its results for the quarter..more of the same&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Flash: JPM looking to issue capital - MS says it is a strategioc decision to maintian its relative capital position advanatage. yeah...ok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone catch the $1B of gains on spread widening that JP had in its results for the quarter..more of the same</p>
<p>Flash: JPM looking to issue capital &#8211; MS says it is a strategioc decision to maintian its relative capital position advanatage. yeah&#8230;ok</p>
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		<title>By: Kidder Reports</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/credit-default-swaps-and-bank-leverage.html#comment-6926</link>
		<dc:creator>Kidder Reports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$62 trillon is nearly twice the size of the $31.9 trillion value of all investment grade securities as calculated by the Capital Market Index (CPMKTS on the Amex).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As of March 31, the index includes about 80% (9,743 securities).  Not included in the index are asset-backed securities, municipal bonds, junk bonds, convertibles, preferreds and floating-rate securities.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an aside, public holdings of US T-bills surpassed $1 trillion for the first time in March.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$62 trillon is nearly twice the size of the $31.9 trillion value of all investment grade securities as calculated by the Capital Market Index (CPMKTS on the Amex).</p>
<p>As of March 31, the index includes about 80% (9,743 securities).  Not included in the index are asset-backed securities, municipal bonds, junk bonds, convertibles, preferreds and floating-rate securities.</p>
<p>As an aside, public holdings of US T-bills surpassed $1 trillion for the first time in March.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of it this way: JPM is essentially an uncapitalized, $76 trillion OTC derivatives exchange with a $1.3 trillion asset bank appendage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Everyone digest this, fully.  When you&#039;re finished you will understand why the Fed will NEVER let any bank fail, EVER.   When you understand that, that is their mission, you will understand their behavior.   Banks due to counterparty risk CANNOT fail.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of it this way: JPM is essentially an uncapitalized, $76 trillion OTC derivatives exchange with a $1.3 trillion asset bank appendage.</p>
<p>Everyone digest this, fully.  When you&#8217;re finished you will understand why the Fed will NEVER let any bank fail, EVER.   When you understand that, that is their mission, you will understand their behavior.   Banks due to counterparty risk CANNOT fail.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JPMorgan to inherit legal woes of Bear Stearns&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/15/business/bear.php&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bear Stearns said that regulators were scrutinizing &quot;the bidding process for municipal derivatives that are offered to states, municipalities and other issuers of tax-exempt bonds.&quot; It also said it was cooperating with the U.S. Department of Justice and the SEC.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bear Stearns&#039;s municipal market activities since the early 1990s are also under investigation by the justice department&#039;s antitrust division, the bank said. The investigations by the SEC and the justice department span the securities industry, the company said.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the same filing, Bear Stearns disclosed a civil investigation by the Federal Trade Commission into its EMC Mortgage unit seeking documents and information relating to business and servicing practices.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Last month, the bank said, it received notice from the trade commission saying that its investigators believed EMC and Bear Stearns violated consumer protection laws in connection with servicing activities. The commission has offered to let Bear Stearns resolve the matter though talks before filing a complaint, the company said.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The filing also noted that liquidators of two Bear Stearns mortgage hedge funds that failed last year filed a suit this month against the Bear Stearns and the auditor Deloitte &amp; Touche. The suit, which seeks more than $1 billion in losses plus damages, accuses the company and the auditor of failing to fulfill fiduciary and professional duties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JPMorgan to inherit legal woes of Bear Stearns</p>
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<p>Bear Stearns said that regulators were scrutinizing &#8220;the bidding process for municipal derivatives that are offered to states, municipalities and other issuers of tax-exempt bonds.&#8221; It also said it was cooperating with the U.S. Department of Justice and the SEC.</p>
<p>Bear Stearns&#8217;s municipal market activities since the early 1990s are also under investigation by the justice department&#8217;s antitrust division, the bank said. The investigations by the SEC and the justice department span the securities industry, the company said.</p>
<p>In the same filing, Bear Stearns disclosed a civil investigation by the Federal Trade Commission into its EMC Mortgage unit seeking documents and information relating to business and servicing practices.</p>
<p>Last month, the bank said, it received notice from the trade commission saying that its investigators believed EMC and Bear Stearns violated consumer protection laws in connection with servicing activities. The commission has offered to let Bear Stearns resolve the matter though talks before filing a complaint, the company said.</p>
<p>The filing also noted that liquidators of two Bear Stearns mortgage hedge funds that failed last year filed a suit this month against the Bear Stearns and the auditor Deloitte &#038; Touche. The suit, which seeks more than $1 billion in losses plus damages, accuses the company and the auditor of failing to fulfill fiduciary and professional duties.</p>
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