<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Desperate Measures to Tackle Credit Crisis Discussed</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:37:59 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Shawn H</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6468</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6468</guid>
		<description>&quot;How can anyone really make the case for investing in any institution without proper knowledge of the risks on the balance sheet?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s the beauty of investing.  The day that Hank and Ben come out and eliminate bank and broker disclosure requirements, what do you think will happen?  The stocks will go up.  You know why?  No bad news is coming in the short term, so let&#039;s buy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For an example, have a look at Fannie&#039;s stock back in 2006 just after they announced that their books were so crooked that they would not announce earnings for 6-9 months.  The stock dropped for a day, then it popped 30%.  The boys said, &quot;this is the best stock to hold, guaranteed no bad news coming from them&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can anyone really make the case for investing in any institution without proper knowledge of the risks on the balance sheet?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the beauty of investing.  The day that Hank and Ben come out and eliminate bank and broker disclosure requirements, what do you think will happen?  The stocks will go up.  You know why?  No bad news is coming in the short term, so let&#8217;s buy.</p>
<p>For an example, have a look at Fannie&#8217;s stock back in 2006 just after they announced that their books were so crooked that they would not announce earnings for 6-9 months.  The stock dropped for a day, then it popped 30%.  The boys said, &#8220;this is the best stock to hold, guaranteed no bad news coming from them&#8221;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6266</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6266</guid>
		<description>What I find fascinating is how many people have been so willing in the past to invest in the equity or debt of financial institutions when they really have no genuine idea of what assets are sitting on the balance sheet of the institution (due lack of detailed disclosure).  Sorry, but this is investing on blind faith.  The rationality of this is quite lacking. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why should I even care about the operating earnings stream if there might potentially be some unknown ticking time bomb sitting on the balance sheet?  How can anyone really make the case for investing in any institution without proper knowledge of the risks on the balance sheet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find fascinating is how many people have been so willing in the past to invest in the equity or debt of financial institutions when they really have no genuine idea of what assets are sitting on the balance sheet of the institution (due lack of detailed disclosure).  Sorry, but this is investing on blind faith.  The rationality of this is quite lacking. </p>
<p>Why should I even care about the operating earnings stream if there might potentially be some unknown ticking time bomb sitting on the balance sheet?  How can anyone really make the case for investing in any institution without proper knowledge of the risks on the balance sheet?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6239</guid>
		<description>&quot;The fact that suspending capital requirements is even being discussed as a notionally viable option is the most frightening thing I&#039;ve heard yet. &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is scary, but it&#039;s actually fairly conventional economic theory. It&#039;s just never implemented as economists want. The idea is to use regulatory capital as a countercyclical mechanism - tighten on the upswing to offset boom-mentality loosening of underwriting quality and loosen on the upswing to smooth the contraction. Obviously, however, it&#039;s never actually tightened on the upswing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that suspending capital requirements is even being discussed as a notionally viable option is the most frightening thing I&#8217;ve heard yet. &#8220;</p>
<p>It is scary, but it&#8217;s actually fairly conventional economic theory. It&#8217;s just never implemented as economists want. The idea is to use regulatory capital as a countercyclical mechanism &#8211; tighten on the upswing to offset boom-mentality loosening of underwriting quality and loosen on the upswing to smooth the contraction. Obviously, however, it&#8217;s never actually tightened on the upswing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6236</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6236</guid>
		<description>&quot; . . . [T]emporarily suspending capital and reporting rules . . . .&quot;  *Aaiiieeeeeee*  That&#039;s just madness.  Why don&#039;t we just let them run off all the pretty parti-coloured certificates on digital copiers that they need to balance their Monopoly accounts?  I can tell you that, from the psychological standpoint, when you suspend your willingness to perceive reality behavior becomes very, _very_ dysfunctional very fast.  Like, in days kind of fast if not in hours.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The fact that suspending capital requirements is even being discussed as a notionally viable option is the most frightening thing I&#039;ve heard yet.  &quot;Let&#039;s just pretend that this corpse in a chair is alive, wheel him on down the street, and pass his check over the counter at the corner mart, hey?&quot;  If you&#039;re a street corner junkie, the world laughs at you for this.  If you&#039;re a green cocaine junkie, we&#039;re expected to take you seriously?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh and banking regulation?:  &quot;Don&#039;t ask; don&#039;t tell.&quot;  That works until it doesn&#039;t.  As of today, it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; . . . [T]emporarily suspending capital and reporting rules . . . .&#8221;  *Aaiiieeeeeee*  That&#8217;s just madness.  Why don&#8217;t we just let them run off all the pretty parti-coloured certificates on digital copiers that they need to balance their Monopoly accounts?  I can tell you that, from the psychological standpoint, when you suspend your willingness to perceive reality behavior becomes very, _very_ dysfunctional very fast.  Like, in days kind of fast if not in hours.  </p>
<p>The fact that suspending capital requirements is even being discussed as a notionally viable option is the most frightening thing I&#8217;ve heard yet.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s just pretend that this corpse in a chair is alive, wheel him on down the street, and pass his check over the counter at the corner mart, hey?&#8221;  If you&#8217;re a street corner junkie, the world laughs at you for this.  If you&#8217;re a green cocaine junkie, we&#8217;re expected to take you seriously?  </p>
<p>Oh and banking regulation?:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask; don&#8217;t tell.&#8221;  That works until it doesn&#8217;t.  As of today, it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6226</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6226</guid>
		<description>I interpreted that passage as refering to market disclosure. The whole point of simultaneous, standardised disclosure, surely, is to limit the competition concerns. No bank is going to give that sort of market disclosure on its own, alas, but if everyone&#039;s doing it then your own objections will be less justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I interpreted that passage as refering to market disclosure. The whole point of simultaneous, standardised disclosure, surely, is to limit the competition concerns. No bank is going to give that sort of market disclosure on its own, alas, but if everyone&#8217;s doing it then your own objections will be less justified.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6224</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6224</guid>
		<description>&quot;Per a, they ought to have items you are required to disclose and the onus is on you to answer their questions and provide the data items in the manner required.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just to be clear - *we* can&#039;t even do that.  If the head of trading (or worse, the head of the bank) asked us to put all our trades in a template of his own invention, then we would all laugh in his face.  Really, we would.  If he asked how long it would take us to do it, we would reply, &quot;Never, it can&#039;t be done.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Per a, they ought to have items you are required to disclose and the onus is on you to answer their questions and provide the data items in the manner required.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just to be clear &#8211; *we* can&#8217;t even do that.  If the head of trading (or worse, the head of the bank) asked us to put all our trades in a template of his own invention, then we would all laugh in his face.  Really, we would.  If he asked how long it would take us to do it, we would reply, &#8220;Never, it can&#8217;t be done.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6217</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6217</guid>
		<description>This discussion, which is very helpful, tells me how regulators have completely lost their nerve. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Per a, they ought to have items you are required to disclose and the onus is on you to answer their questions and provide the data items in the manner required, Investment banks would not under any current rules have to do that (I&#039;m not sure how far the SEC&#039;s powers extend, but their rulebook is geared much more towards the equity market and pretty simple notions of regulatory capital). But commercial banks should expect a supervisory exam to be about as pleasant as a colonoscopy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The last time I dealt with regulators was in Japan, and believe me, they were very strict about what they wanted and &quot;no&quot; was not an acceptable answer. Of course, the products were simpler then, but their attitude was that they were in charge and the bank had better jump as high as they asked it to. And that is the posture regulators should take, otherwise the idea that they are supervising effectively is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion, which is very helpful, tells me how regulators have completely lost their nerve. </p>
<p>Per a, they ought to have items you are required to disclose and the onus is on you to answer their questions and provide the data items in the manner required, Investment banks would not under any current rules have to do that (I&#8217;m not sure how far the SEC&#8217;s powers extend, but their rulebook is geared much more towards the equity market and pretty simple notions of regulatory capital). But commercial banks should expect a supervisory exam to be about as pleasant as a colonoscopy.</p>
<p>The last time I dealt with regulators was in Japan, and believe me, they were very strict about what they wanted and &#8220;no&#8221; was not an acceptable answer. Of course, the products were simpler then, but their attitude was that they were in charge and the bank had better jump as high as they asked it to. And that is the posture regulators should take, otherwise the idea that they are supervising effectively is a joke.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6218</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6218</guid>
		<description>The article seems to assume that damage is pretty even distributed among the banks so that no one has more to lose by increased transparency than anyone else. Ridiculous. There&#039;s also a lurking assumption that the damage isn&#039;t migrating to new asset classes--but it is; DB&#039;s $4B loss is partly attributable to Alt-A, as is a portion of UBS&#039;s, with the bulk of the deterioration coming in the last few weeks. So how often should the asset rolls be published?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course they won&#039;t be published at all. A lot of information possessed by bank regulators has always been non-public, for fear of sparking runs (think how little the public portions of bank call reports actually reveal). A kind of paternalistic opacity is baked into the system, under the idea that if there&#039;s a problem, the regulators will act to preserve safety, soundness and all things bright and beautiful. But the Fed/Treasury/SEC is trying to _avoid_ disclosures by non-regulated banks--including whether they are solvent--without any indication that the problems will be addressed by anything more than wishing them away. So far the equity markets seem to buying into this regulatory approach, but Bernanke et al are risking that if something trips, it will be in the US and under their control. Good bet? How bout the bet of spreading risk by `encouraging&#039; people to do business as normal with undercapitalized and probably insolvent counterparties? FDIC&#039;s C&amp;D to Fremont looks positively antiquated as a regulatory approach.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rather than worrying about `standardized disclosure forms&#039; for CDO&#039;s, etc. the real transparency problem is US regulators pretending that GAAP doesn&#039;t exist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article seems to assume that damage is pretty even distributed among the banks so that no one has more to lose by increased transparency than anyone else. Ridiculous. There&#8217;s also a lurking assumption that the damage isn&#8217;t migrating to new asset classes&#8211;but it is; DB&#8217;s $4B loss is partly attributable to Alt-A, as is a portion of UBS&#8217;s, with the bulk of the deterioration coming in the last few weeks. So how often should the asset rolls be published?</p>
<p>Of course they won&#8217;t be published at all. A lot of information possessed by bank regulators has always been non-public, for fear of sparking runs (think how little the public portions of bank call reports actually reveal). A kind of paternalistic opacity is baked into the system, under the idea that if there&#8217;s a problem, the regulators will act to preserve safety, soundness and all things bright and beautiful. But the Fed/Treasury/SEC is trying to _avoid_ disclosures by non-regulated banks&#8211;including whether they are solvent&#8211;without any indication that the problems will be addressed by anything more than wishing them away. So far the equity markets seem to buying into this regulatory approach, but Bernanke et al are risking that if something trips, it will be in the US and under their control. Good bet? How bout the bet of spreading risk by `encouraging&#8217; people to do business as normal with undercapitalized and probably insolvent counterparties? FDIC&#8217;s C&#038;D to Fremont looks positively antiquated as a regulatory approach.</p>
<p>Rather than worrying about `standardized disclosure forms&#8217; for CDO&#8217;s, etc. the real transparency problem is US regulators pretending that GAAP doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6216</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6216</guid>
		<description>&quot;The banking authorities don&#039;t already posses this information?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Um, of course not.  Regulators couldn&#039;t even download our positions in any sensible way. For our largest and riskiest book, less than 30 people in the firm would be able to actually tell you how to go from the term sheet to how the product actually behaves and should be valued.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I&#039;m not sure how standardized the disclosure can be - I wouldn&#039;t trust the numbers that e.g. GS publishes, because that&#039;s the way GS works.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to auditors, well they verify that it looks like we know what we&#039;re doing, and that&#039;s about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The banking authorities don&#8217;t already posses this information?&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, of course not.  Regulators couldn&#8217;t even download our positions in any sensible way. For our largest and riskiest book, less than 30 people in the firm would be able to actually tell you how to go from the term sheet to how the product actually behaves and should be valued.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure how standardized the disclosure can be &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t trust the numbers that e.g. GS publishes, because that&#8217;s the way GS works.</p>
<p>As to auditors, well they verify that it looks like we know what we&#8217;re doing, and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Independent Accountant</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit.html#comment-6215</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/desperate-measures-to-tackle-credit-crisis-discussed/#comment-6215</guid>
		<description>What the hell are the CPAs who supposedly audit these banks every year doing?  This stuff should be disclosed annually in a bank&#039;s Form 10-K.  Bank accounting is a sick joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell are the CPAs who supposedly audit these banks every year doing?  This stuff should be disclosed annually in a bank&#8217;s Form 10-K.  Bank accounting is a sick joke.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
