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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/on-greenspans-fed-is-blameless-canard.html#comment-6611</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenspan incorrectly asserts (or lies) that M2 was not telling him anything.  In fact, M2 had been growing much faster than nominal GPD over this period, as expected when rates fall, but did not slow down when rates rose.  On net, M2 velocity plummeted.  Greenspan would have been well aware of this, and all the materials he presented to Congress over those years show it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Too much money IS a glut in the sources of funds  available to lenders, which is a glut in credit.  How could you not have noticed?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is hard to get a read on M2 over shorter periods, but when something continues for multiple years, ignoring it is either arrogant or stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenspan incorrectly asserts (or lies) that M2 was not telling him anything.  In fact, M2 had been growing much faster than nominal GPD over this period, as expected when rates fall, but did not slow down when rates rose.  On net, M2 velocity plummeted.  Greenspan would have been well aware of this, and all the materials he presented to Congress over those years show it.  </p>
<p>Too much money IS a glut in the sources of funds  available to lenders, which is a glut in credit.  How could you not have noticed?  </p>
<p>It is hard to get a read on M2 over shorter periods, but when something continues for multiple years, ignoring it is either arrogant or stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Greenspan and personal redemption via seppuku:  nah, that would just leave a mess for someone else to clean up.  Like, well, NOW.  St. Alan should take a loonnng cruise, and at mid-ocean go over the rail with the deadweight of his ego tied around his neck.  Straight to the bottom fer sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Greenspan and personal redemption via seppuku:  nah, that would just leave a mess for someone else to clean up.  Like, well, NOW.  St. Alan should take a loonnng cruise, and at mid-ocean go over the rail with the deadweight of his ego tied around his neck.  Straight to the bottom fer sure.</p>
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		<title>By: betruthful</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/on-greenspans-fed-is-blameless-canard.html#comment-6560</link>
		<dc:creator>betruthful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why was Greenspan not able to pressure the financial community into just 1 rule: &quot;All borrowers must have written documentation that they can repay a loan before it is given, and all appraisals must be done by an employee of the institution giving the loan.&quot; This would not have solved all the problems but would have been significant. Was the most powerful man in finance not able to see that undocumented loans on assets appraised by an independent company were a time bomb?  He knew these loans were becoming more popular and ignored the consequences. Is he admitting the Fed does not have the power to institute even this simple change? What a shame that he was our hero in the early years and later either became a political puppet or lost touch with the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why was Greenspan not able to pressure the financial community into just 1 rule: &#8220;All borrowers must have written documentation that they can repay a loan before it is given, and all appraisals must be done by an employee of the institution giving the loan.&#8221; This would not have solved all the problems but would have been significant. Was the most powerful man in finance not able to see that undocumented loans on assets appraised by an independent company were a time bomb?  He knew these loans were becoming more popular and ignored the consequences. Is he admitting the Fed does not have the power to institute even this simple change? What a shame that he was our hero in the early years and later either became a political puppet or lost touch with the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks need to realize that when it comes to making sure Main Street is healthy, economists, accountants, and lawyers are as useful as tits on a boar hog.  The Fed is more often doing harm than good -&gt; Need to downsize the Fed and it&#039;s minions significantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks need to realize that when it comes to making sure Main Street is healthy, economists, accountants, and lawyers are as useful as tits on a boar hog.  The Fed is more often doing harm than good -> Need to downsize the Fed and it&#8217;s minions significantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one way for Greenspan to rehabilitate his reputation and honor: seppuku.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much like this blog - definitely my favourite of all the economics/financial blogs I&#039;m currently following. Well done!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And this post was very interesting. However, I wouldn&#039;t press the case of Australia being a good example of a place that is avoiding a house price bubble too hard. By many measures, Australia has one of the biggest bubbles in the world, and it&#039;s still inflating, unlike those in Ireland, Spain, UK and the US.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d recommend particularly graph 1 and 7 here - http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/sp_so_270308.html &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, you could say they are &quot;leaning against the wind&quot; (and have in the past), but I don&#039;t really think it&#039;s had much effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like this blog &#8211; definitely my favourite of all the economics/financial blogs I&#8217;m currently following. Well done!</p>
<p>And this post was very interesting. However, I wouldn&#8217;t press the case of Australia being a good example of a place that is avoiding a house price bubble too hard. By many measures, Australia has one of the biggest bubbles in the world, and it&#8217;s still inflating, unlike those in Ireland, Spain, UK and the US.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend particularly graph 1 and 7 here &#8211; <a href="http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/sp_so_270308.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/sp_so_270308.html</a> </p>
<p>That said, you could say they are &#8220;leaning against the wind&#8221; (and have in the past), but I don&#8217;t really think it&#8217;s had much effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find interesting about this self-serving obfuscation from St. Alan the Mendacious is how completely it reveals his almost malevolent malfeasance while in office.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The former Chief Banking Regulator:  &quot;Regulation never works to prevent [fill in the blank].&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The former Chief Banking Examiner:  &quot;How could I possibly presume to question heroic financial innovators SO much smarter than I am.  I trust in their ability, and so should you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The former Chief Interest Rate Micromanager:  &quot;Interest rates didn&#039;t balloon they money supply:  I kept money close fisted.  By the way, credit has nothing to do with money.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The former Chief Economic Trend Sentinel:  &quot;It was malinvestment by ill-educated product buyers which got us in a fix.  Who&#039;d a thunk it.  It couldn&#039;t have been the products:  these were made by genius heroic innovators who are rich so they must have been right.  Right?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Alan Greenspan is and always has been a stranger to the truth with zero sense of personal responsibility.  Calling this carpetbagger an ideologue is too kind:  his pockets are too well-lined for the weighting in his personal worth to be in his ideas.  His pretentions to ideology are, well, pretentious; the man&#039;s a greedy fox who wants to look like he did it &#039;for the cause.&#039;  His cause is himself, end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting about this self-serving obfuscation from St. Alan the Mendacious is how completely it reveals his almost malevolent malfeasance while in office.</p>
<p>The former Chief Banking Regulator:  &#8220;Regulation never works to prevent [fill in the blank].&#8221;</p>
<p>The former Chief Banking Examiner:  &#8220;How could I possibly presume to question heroic financial innovators SO much smarter than I am.  I trust in their ability, and so should you.&#8221;</p>
<p>The former Chief Interest Rate Micromanager:  &#8220;Interest rates didn&#8217;t balloon they money supply:  I kept money close fisted.  By the way, credit has nothing to do with money.&#8221;</p>
<p>The former Chief Economic Trend Sentinel:  &#8220;It was malinvestment by ill-educated product buyers which got us in a fix.  Who&#8217;d a thunk it.  It couldn&#8217;t have been the products:  these were made by genius heroic innovators who are rich so they must have been right.  Right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Alan Greenspan is and always has been a stranger to the truth with zero sense of personal responsibility.  Calling this carpetbagger an ideologue is too kind:  his pockets are too well-lined for the weighting in his personal worth to be in his ideas.  His pretentions to ideology are, well, pretentious; the man&#8217;s a greedy fox who wants to look like he did it &#8216;for the cause.&#8217;  His cause is himself, end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfectly argued Yves. Well done. I should point out that at least one of the GSE&#039;s, Fannie Mae, met with the Fed to warn it about the insane underwriting practices happening at its banks (I was there). Of course, it was self-serving of Fannie MAe to do this, as it was losing market share rapidly because of its refusal to insure these loans through its MBS or buy them for its portfolio. So, the Fed had a clear market signal through the giant GSE&#039;s, who largely refused to particpate in this insane underwriting (meantime, lenders were getting their short term fees, and the private label securitizers were getting their volume &amp; fees, and the rating agencies fell asleep, and many free market economists wrote the GSE&#039;s off as anacronistic and irrelevant). Even the housing section Fed white paper writers showed the same ideoloogical stripe you so correctly highlight in Greenspan-- several of them spent their intellectual capital bashing the GSE&#039;s instead of observing what was happening at the banks right under their noses). Incredible the power of ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfectly argued Yves. Well done. I should point out that at least one of the GSE&#8217;s, Fannie Mae, met with the Fed to warn it about the insane underwriting practices happening at its banks (I was there). Of course, it was self-serving of Fannie MAe to do this, as it was losing market share rapidly because of its refusal to insure these loans through its MBS or buy them for its portfolio. So, the Fed had a clear market signal through the giant GSE&#8217;s, who largely refused to particpate in this insane underwriting (meantime, lenders were getting their short term fees, and the private label securitizers were getting their volume &#038; fees, and the rating agencies fell asleep, and many free market economists wrote the GSE&#8217;s off as anacronistic and irrelevant). Even the housing section Fed white paper writers showed the same ideoloogical stripe you so correctly highlight in Greenspan&#8211; several of them spent their intellectual capital bashing the GSE&#8217;s instead of observing what was happening at the banks right under their noses). Incredible the power of ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr Taylor (with whom I rarely disagree) and others derive their simulations from model structures that have been consistently unable to anticipate the onset of recessions or financial crises. Counterfactuals from such flawed structures cannot form the basis for policy.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think this is the crucial point.  Greenspan (and I think, for that matter, DeLong in is response to you a little while back) is making the point that there is no theoretical model showing that low Fed interest rates caused the bubble *and* which also has predictive value.  I think this is probably correct.  There is no economic model with both these features. But then again, there are *no* economic models with just the second feature, i.e. which have predictive value, in the strong sense that Greenspan has laid out.  *No* economic model can correctly predict when recessions occur or when financial marekets will collapse.  That&#039;s pretty obvious, isn&#039;t it?  If there were a good model about when financial markets collapsed, financial markets would collapse a month earlier, because everyone would use the model and start selling beforehand...  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So Greenspan is being disingenuous and is setting the bar too high, excluding models which would tend to show that the Fed&#039;s actions were mistaken, by claiming these models don&#039;t work - even though, by the standards he has set out, *no* model works.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would just point out that Greenspan was famous for being a guy who decided interest rates, not by using models, but by his nose, presumably because he didn&#039;t trust models.  IMHO he was right in that; I don&#039;t trust the models myself.  But he had a bad nose; it smelled roses, when there really was manure in the garden.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Final point:  actually, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the fact of low interest rates per se that led to the bubble.  I think it&#039;s more that, every time the economy looked like it might fall into recession, interest rates were lowered drastically in order to avert recession.  This caused a backup of bad practices, a sense that asset prices could go only one way (because they did only go one way), and ultimately led to the mess we are in today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr Taylor (with whom I rarely disagree) and others derive their simulations from model structures that have been consistently unable to anticipate the onset of recessions or financial crises. Counterfactuals from such flawed structures cannot form the basis for policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is the crucial point.  Greenspan (and I think, for that matter, DeLong in is response to you a little while back) is making the point that there is no theoretical model showing that low Fed interest rates caused the bubble *and* which also has predictive value.  I think this is probably correct.  There is no economic model with both these features. But then again, there are *no* economic models with just the second feature, i.e. which have predictive value, in the strong sense that Greenspan has laid out.  *No* economic model can correctly predict when recessions occur or when financial marekets will collapse.  That&#8217;s pretty obvious, isn&#8217;t it?  If there were a good model about when financial markets collapsed, financial markets would collapse a month earlier, because everyone would use the model and start selling beforehand&#8230;  </p>
<p>So Greenspan is being disingenuous and is setting the bar too high, excluding models which would tend to show that the Fed&#8217;s actions were mistaken, by claiming these models don&#8217;t work &#8211; even though, by the standards he has set out, *no* model works.</p>
<p>I would just point out that Greenspan was famous for being a guy who decided interest rates, not by using models, but by his nose, presumably because he didn&#8217;t trust models.  IMHO he was right in that; I don&#8217;t trust the models myself.  But he had a bad nose; it smelled roses, when there really was manure in the garden.</p>
<p>Final point:  actually, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the fact of low interest rates per se that led to the bubble.  I think it&#8217;s more that, every time the economy looked like it might fall into recession, interest rates were lowered drastically in order to avert recession.  This caused a backup of bad practices, a sense that asset prices could go only one way (because they did only go one way), and ultimately led to the mess we are in today.</p>
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