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	<title>Comments on: Quelle Surprise! Home Ownership Restricts Mobility, Particularly If You Can&#8217;t Sell</title>
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		<title>By: Russ DoGG</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/quelle-surprise-home-ownership.html#comment-6311</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ DoGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone noticed that the orgs most dependent on relocating new employees are the ones that have developed bad reputations locally?  The parties involved don&#039;t have equal information resources- and sometimes the employers are looking to exploit that advantage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lord/ Francois:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;WEll said!  Idiot economists always overlook the costs to the individual but gloat over the benefits to their precious businesses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I must admit I tried moving for a new job and found it was not at all to my liking- but at least I had the common sense to rent instead of buying a house at the new location.  Oh yeah- the new job wasn&#039;t as advertised (employers do sometimes lie).  Only the paycheck was as advertised.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Enourmous costs to me (moving and a cheap sale of a house) and a measly 3 grand movers bill to employer.  Not to mention the social costs to me.  No social costs to the employer..&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Economists always seem to miss the costs to individuals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone noticed that the orgs most dependent on relocating new employees are the ones that have developed bad reputations locally?  The parties involved don&#8217;t have equal information resources- and sometimes the employers are looking to exploit that advantage.</p>
<p>Lord/ Francois:</p>
<p>WEll said!  Idiot economists always overlook the costs to the individual but gloat over the benefits to their precious businesses.</p>
<p>I must admit I tried moving for a new job and found it was not at all to my liking- but at least I had the common sense to rent instead of buying a house at the new location.  Oh yeah- the new job wasn&#8217;t as advertised (employers do sometimes lie).  Only the paycheck was as advertised.</p>
<p>Enourmous costs to me (moving and a cheap sale of a house) and a measly 3 grand movers bill to employer.  Not to mention the social costs to me.  No social costs to the employer..</p>
<p>Economists always seem to miss the costs to individuals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/quelle-surprise-home-ownership.html#comment-6301</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drawing some sort of parallel between Spain and the U.S. with regards to home ownership and labour mobility is completely foolish. Were it the case, the entire points-based system of gegraphically allocating posts within the Spanish civil service would fail to function - or home ownership rates among civil servants would be below the norm for the country. Neither is the case. The choicest of jobs demand, as part of the deal, mobility on the part of the employee.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The other reality is that there is no serious lack of labour mobility in the lower links of food chain here. The inflexibility most certainly is on the part of the more well-paid sectors where people may not be willing to up roots once they have reached a certain level of stable economic well-being. That would reflect an entirely different attitude towards whether the future can, in generic terms, be expected to qualitatively better than the present. None of the above, by the way, takes into account that in cases where homeowners do move in response to economic opportunity they are as, likely as not, not to sell their original residence and buy a second in the new place. The store of value that property is seen as being would result in higher rates of home ownership.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, there is no question that mobility benefits industry as it permits it to make purely number-generated decisions when deciding to tear down and rebuild in Michigan or start from scratch in the sun belt. Whether this results in more Chevrolets being built is another matter, but it sure turned the rust belt-sun belt competition into a zero sum game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drawing some sort of parallel between Spain and the U.S. with regards to home ownership and labour mobility is completely foolish. Were it the case, the entire points-based system of gegraphically allocating posts within the Spanish civil service would fail to function &#8211; or home ownership rates among civil servants would be below the norm for the country. Neither is the case. The choicest of jobs demand, as part of the deal, mobility on the part of the employee.</p>
<p>The other reality is that there is no serious lack of labour mobility in the lower links of food chain here. The inflexibility most certainly is on the part of the more well-paid sectors where people may not be willing to up roots once they have reached a certain level of stable economic well-being. That would reflect an entirely different attitude towards whether the future can, in generic terms, be expected to qualitatively better than the present. None of the above, by the way, takes into account that in cases where homeowners do move in response to economic opportunity they are as, likely as not, not to sell their original residence and buy a second in the new place. The store of value that property is seen as being would result in higher rates of home ownership.</p>
<p>Of course, there is no question that mobility benefits industry as it permits it to make purely number-generated decisions when deciding to tear down and rebuild in Michigan or start from scratch in the sun belt. Whether this results in more Chevrolets being built is another matter, but it sure turned the rust belt-sun belt competition into a zero sum game.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to get ahead professionally is to avoid marriage and kids, rent for a lifetime, and renounce any idea of a community and personal life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very attractive prospect indeed, particularly well-suited for human nature.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to get ahead professionally is to avoid marriage and kids, rent for a lifetime, and renounce any idea of a community and personal life.</p>
<p>Very attractive prospect indeed, particularly well-suited for human nature.</p>
<p>Sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/quelle-surprise-home-ownership.html#comment-6284</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 1:45 AM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Australia is a funny case, in that its population in housing-mad (homeownership rates well over 70%) and people hate to move. Even by European standards, very high attachment to community and family.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Plus very high concentration in a few cities large that are parochial (relative to each other; Australians are huge international travelers). People in Melbourne look very dimly on Sydneysiders (less so the reverse). If you are in Sydney or Melbourne, you&#039;d have to be in pretty desperate straits if you needed to look for a job further afield. Perth is so isolated that that produces much the same effect.  So I&#039;m not sure you can generalize from Australia....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon of 1:45 AM,</p>
<p>Australia is a funny case, in that its population in housing-mad (homeownership rates well over 70%) and people hate to move. Even by European standards, very high attachment to community and family.</p>
<p>Plus very high concentration in a few cities large that are parochial (relative to each other; Australians are huge international travelers). People in Melbourne look very dimly on Sydneysiders (less so the reverse). If you are in Sydney or Melbourne, you&#8217;d have to be in pretty desperate straits if you needed to look for a job further afield. Perth is so isolated that that produces much the same effect.  So I&#8217;m not sure you can generalize from Australia&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Oswald results were for Europe. I&#039;ve seen at least one paper for Australia where the effect didn&#039;t work. (I haven&#039;t got it here but I think it was by Gavin Wood.)&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know if anyone has tried to replicate it for the US but my sense is that the Oswald effect hasn&#039;t been completely accepted by the researchers in labor economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oswald results were for Europe. I&#8217;ve seen at least one paper for Australia where the effect didn&#8217;t work. (I haven&#8217;t got it here but I think it was by Gavin Wood.)<br />I don&#8217;t know if anyone has tried to replicate it for the US but my sense is that the Oswald effect hasn&#8217;t been completely accepted by the researchers in labor economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/quelle-surprise-home-ownership.html#comment-6279</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t rent could they?  Geez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t rent could they?  Geez</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/04/quelle-surprise-home-ownership.html#comment-6278</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economists greatly underestimate the costs of moving and greatly overestimate the benefits.  This is probably because the costs fall on the individual while the benefits fall on business.  I see little reason moving should be encouraged, and much to be discouraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economists greatly underestimate the costs of moving and greatly overestimate the benefits.  This is probably because the costs fall on the individual while the benefits fall on business.  I see little reason moving should be encouraged, and much to be discouraged.</p>
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