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	<title>Comments on: Hubris, Denial, and the Financial Services Culture</title>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of topic but &quot;A long time ago at McKinsey&quot; reminded me of (former) McKinsey analyst Frank Ostroff and the wonderfully thought provoking discussions we had during the mid-1980s about what came to be called globalization.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very sharp guy who really helped me concretize my thoughts/writing about &#039;Global Finance Capitals&#039; (GFCs, the fusing of production and finance capitals, their internal contradictions but moreso those between these entities and national states).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of topic but &#8220;A long time ago at McKinsey&#8221; reminded me of (former) McKinsey analyst Frank Ostroff and the wonderfully thought provoking discussions we had during the mid-1980s about what came to be called globalization.</p>
<p>Very sharp guy who really helped me concretize my thoughts/writing about &#8216;Global Finance Capitals&#8217; (GFCs, the fusing of production and finance capitals, their internal contradictions but moreso those between these entities and national states).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dd:  cold fusion could work yet... so far it hasn&#039;t... so far its been a hoax... but, who knows, there&#039;s something it its ring that promises that maybe, possibly, down the road, put in the best hands and given long enough .. well it might work....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dd:  cold fusion could work yet&#8230; so far it hasn&#8217;t&#8230; so far its been a hoax&#8230; but, who knows, there&#8217;s something it its ring that promises that maybe, possibly, down the road, put in the best hands and given long enough .. well it might work&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is transition. Financial instruments create wealth but in and of themselves have no value. Milken understood that; as many financiers before him. Public acceptance is crucial. We have moved to the new realm of virtual valuations. This transition is as hard as the move from gold to fiat. The Fed supports it and the younger generation is comfortable with virtual valuations. It could work yet. But the danger of &quot;reality&quot; might undo it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is transition. Financial instruments create wealth but in and of themselves have no value. Milken understood that; as many financiers before him. Public acceptance is crucial. We have moved to the new realm of virtual valuations. This transition is as hard as the move from gold to fiat. The Fed supports it and the younger generation is comfortable with virtual valuations. It could work yet. But the danger of &#8220;reality&#8221; might undo it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: PrintFaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrintFaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;One comment on the point made by one economist on the fact that unemployment was low by historical standards.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Unless economists wake up and protect the integrity of their data by rejecting constant rejiggering and readjustment, they will never be able to draw any accurate conclusions.  If you look at traditional measurements of unemployment, we have been over 9% for a long period.  Some measures have us at over 12% using traditional techniques.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We are like a frog in a boiling pot of water who believes that it cannot be very hot if the thermometer is broken, or short of mercury.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Economists as a profession face the total loss of credibility if they lack the character to demand accurate and consistent data, otherwise they are analyzing tea leaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,<br />One comment on the point made by one economist on the fact that unemployment was low by historical standards.</p>
<p>Unless economists wake up and protect the integrity of their data by rejecting constant rejiggering and readjustment, they will never be able to draw any accurate conclusions.  If you look at traditional measurements of unemployment, we have been over 9% for a long period.  Some measures have us at over 12% using traditional techniques.</p>
<p>We are like a frog in a boiling pot of water who believes that it cannot be very hot if the thermometer is broken, or short of mercury.</p>
<p>Economists as a profession face the total loss of credibility if they lack the character to demand accurate and consistent data, otherwise they are analyzing tea leaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think gapingvoid put it best.  The social pyramid/corporate hierarchy is formed by the losers surmounted by the clueless and crowned by the sociopaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think gapingvoid put it best.  The social pyramid/corporate hierarchy is formed by the losers surmounted by the clueless and crowned by the sociopaths.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great post - and as a long-term employee in the financial services sector, thanks for recognizing the cultural aspects of the issue - particularly the distinction between internalizers and externalizers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The cultural issue speaks to a question of core values, which too often economists do not adequately recognize in their assumptions, and merely assume that progress toward maximal utility occurs. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, progress requires learning, which is awfully difficult for our species...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great post &#8211; and as a long-term employee in the financial services sector, thanks for recognizing the cultural aspects of the issue &#8211; particularly the distinction between internalizers and externalizers.</p>
<p>The cultural issue speaks to a question of core values, which too often economists do not adequately recognize in their assumptions, and merely assume that progress toward maximal utility occurs. </p>
<p>However, progress requires learning, which is awfully difficult for our species&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>money can buy respectability.  orthodoxy is central to respectability.&lt;br/&gt;diversity has entertainment value, but intellectual diversity can lead to, ahem, inappropriate thoughts.&lt;br/&gt;inappropriate thoughts can lead to behaviors that are, ahem, inappropriate and condemned by all respectable people.&lt;br/&gt;er, didn&#039;t I just spend all that money endowing myself a foundation to buy respectability.&lt;br/&gt;stop thinking and start conforming.&lt;br/&gt;life is good.&lt;br/&gt;just do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>money can buy respectability.  orthodoxy is central to respectability.<br />diversity has entertainment value, but intellectual diversity can lead to, ahem, inappropriate thoughts.<br />inappropriate thoughts can lead to behaviors that are, ahem, inappropriate and condemned by all respectable people.<br />er, didn&#8217;t I just spend all that money endowing myself a foundation to buy respectability.<br />stop thinking and start conforming.<br />life is good.<br />just do it.</p>
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		<title>By: STS</title>
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		<dc:creator>STS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a typical black/white discussion of a gray issue.  Financial product innovation is just fine, but it has gotten far ahead of the regulatory response.  The regulations needed are mostly to do with transparency: put high volume OTC derivatives onto standardized exchanges with clearinghouses; and incentives: tie those big bonuses to continuing success of a business, not just to this quarter&#039;s rigged number.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Milken and company are right to fear unfortunate consequences of the backlash -- but naturally fail to see how their own arrogance and simple-minded &quot;government is always bad&quot; ideology makes such backlash dramatically more likely.  (Funny, they don&#039;t seem to object to government when they need the cops to evict someone they have foreclosed on ...)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Financial reform is too important to be left entirely to &quot;Wall Street&#039;s Finest&quot;.  They&#039;re paid not to understand the problem.  But it doesn&#039;t follow that &quot;shutting down the big casino&quot; is a sensible policy either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a typical black/white discussion of a gray issue.  Financial product innovation is just fine, but it has gotten far ahead of the regulatory response.  The regulations needed are mostly to do with transparency: put high volume OTC derivatives onto standardized exchanges with clearinghouses; and incentives: tie those big bonuses to continuing success of a business, not just to this quarter&#8217;s rigged number.</p>
<p>Milken and company are right to fear unfortunate consequences of the backlash &#8212; but naturally fail to see how their own arrogance and simple-minded &#8220;government is always bad&#8221; ideology makes such backlash dramatically more likely.  (Funny, they don&#8217;t seem to object to government when they need the cops to evict someone they have foreclosed on &#8230;)</p>
<p>Financial reform is too important to be left entirely to &#8220;Wall Street&#8217;s Finest&#8221;.  They&#8217;re paid not to understand the problem.  But it doesn&#8217;t follow that &#8220;shutting down the big casino&#8221; is a sensible policy either.</p>
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		<title>By: minka</title>
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		<dc:creator>minka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they are incapable of learning from their mistakes, since they never make any.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This can be a sign of sociopathic personality disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they are incapable of learning from their mistakes, since they never make any.&#8221;</p>
<p>This can be a sign of sociopathic personality disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans are well known for not wanting to listen to any viewpoint that differs from their own. I would say the hubris is what will eventually take them all down, but not before doing insane amounts of damage to the country. I don&#039;t know if we can even recover from the last eight years. Their damage to the financial system is in line with their damage to everything else they touch, caring only for their own profit and damn the consequences.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Evil bastards, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans are well known for not wanting to listen to any viewpoint that differs from their own. I would say the hubris is what will eventually take them all down, but not before doing insane amounts of damage to the country. I don&#8217;t know if we can even recover from the last eight years. Their damage to the financial system is in line with their damage to everything else they touch, caring only for their own profit and damn the consequences.</p>
<p>Evil bastards, indeed.</p>
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