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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/is-liquidity-all-that-its-cracked-up-to.html#comment-7759</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google Tobin Tax.  Although first proposed for currency trading, there&#039;s no reason to think it would not work similarly for other asset markets, since the goal is the same in both cases: to throw some sand in the gears, slow things down.  It might be a bit harder to enforce, since currency is presumably more easily tracked, but</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Tobin Tax.  Although first proposed for currency trading, there&#8217;s no reason to think it would not work similarly for other asset markets, since the goal is the same in both cases: to throw some sand in the gears, slow things down.  It might be a bit harder to enforce, since currency is presumably more easily tracked, but</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liquidity always makes me think of The Hoover Dam or Grand Coulee, where future liquidity is stored for future energy demand.  In order for the dam to work, the structure has to be engineered for stability, strength and to hold the flood back.  The dam metaphor works well for banks today that are full of holes and drained of liquidity because of poor controls, poor engineering, poor oversight and a lack of fiduciary responsibility, i.e, it&#039;s as if this round of managers turned a blind eye to responsibility and opened the floodgates and left everything up to the next shift. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This type of reckless behavior has resulted in chaos, wrecked the dam, destroyed crops and obviously reduced the value of the dam, while increasing the cost of liquidity!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These people should be going to federal prison!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liquidity always makes me think of The Hoover Dam or Grand Coulee, where future liquidity is stored for future energy demand.  In order for the dam to work, the structure has to be engineered for stability, strength and to hold the flood back.  The dam metaphor works well for banks today that are full of holes and drained of liquidity because of poor controls, poor engineering, poor oversight and a lack of fiduciary responsibility, i.e, it&#8217;s as if this round of managers turned a blind eye to responsibility and opened the floodgates and left everything up to the next shift. </p>
<p>This type of reckless behavior has resulted in chaos, wrecked the dam, destroyed crops and obviously reduced the value of the dam, while increasing the cost of liquidity!</p>
<p>These people should be going to federal prison!</p>
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		<title>By: synchro</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/is-liquidity-all-that-its-cracked-up-to.html#comment-7646</link>
		<dc:creator>synchro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with you, Yves, is that you are thinking too rationally, and have a realistic view of how the world works.  According to Marc Faber, being that way has a tendency to become clinically depressed.  On the other hand, the chronically optimistic lot tends to have a happier life, even though they are delusional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with you, Yves, is that you are thinking too rationally, and have a realistic view of how the world works.  According to Marc Faber, being that way has a tendency to become clinically depressed.  On the other hand, the chronically optimistic lot tends to have a happier life, even though they are delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of the things that helps to enable non-linear behavior in a complex system is promiscuity of information (i.e., feedback loops but in a more generalized sense) across a wide scope of the system.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One way you can attempt to stabilize a complex system through suppressing its non-linear behavior is to divide it up into little boxes and use them to compartmentalize information so signals cannot easily propagate quickly across the entire system. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This principle has been recognized in the design of software systems for several decades now, and is also a design principle recognizable in many other systems both natural and artificial (c.f. biology, architecture) which are very robust with regard to exogenous shocks. Stable systems tend to be built from structural heirarchies which do not share much information across structural boundaries, either laterally or vertically. That is why you don&#039;t die from a heart attack when you stub your toe, your house doesn&#039;t collapse when you break a window, and if your computer crashes it doesn&#039;t take down the entire internet with it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Glass-Steagall is a good example of this idea put into practice. If you use regulatory firewalls to define distinct investment sectors and impose significant transaction costs at their boundary that will help to reduce the speed and amplitude of signals which will propagate from one sector to another, so a collapse in one of them will be less likely casue severe problems in the others.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It worries me that we’ve torn down most of these barriers in the last several decades in the name of arbitrage, forgetting that the price we paid for them in inefficiency was a form of insurance against the risk of systemic collapse. This is exactly what I would do if I wanted to take a more or less stable, semi-complex system and drive it in the direction of greater non-linearity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think this was to some degree inevitable - it is a symptom of the decay and loss of trans-generational memories from our last great systemic shock in the 1930s. I suspect that something like this is bound to happen every 3-4 generations as we unlearn the lessons our grandparents and great-grandparents learned to their cost.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Anon2:56</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>One of the things that helps to enable non-linear behavior in a complex system is promiscuity of information (i.e., feedback loops but in a more generalized sense) across a wide scope of the system.</p>
<p>One way you can attempt to stabilize a complex system through suppressing its non-linear behavior is to divide it up into little boxes and use them to compartmentalize information so signals cannot easily propagate quickly across the entire system. </p>
<p>This principle has been recognized in the design of software systems for several decades now, and is also a design principle recognizable in many other systems both natural and artificial (c.f. biology, architecture) which are very robust with regard to exogenous shocks. Stable systems tend to be built from structural heirarchies which do not share much information across structural boundaries, either laterally or vertically. That is why you don&#8217;t die from a heart attack when you stub your toe, your house doesn&#8217;t collapse when you break a window, and if your computer crashes it doesn&#8217;t take down the entire internet with it.</p>
<p>Glass-Steagall is a good example of this idea put into practice. If you use regulatory firewalls to define distinct investment sectors and impose significant transaction costs at their boundary that will help to reduce the speed and amplitude of signals which will propagate from one sector to another, so a collapse in one of them will be less likely casue severe problems in the others.</p>
<p>It worries me that we’ve torn down most of these barriers in the last several decades in the name of arbitrage, forgetting that the price we paid for them in inefficiency was a form of insurance against the risk of systemic collapse. This is exactly what I would do if I wanted to take a more or less stable, semi-complex system and drive it in the direction of greater non-linearity.</p>
<p>I think this was to some degree inevitable &#8211; it is a symptom of the decay and loss of trans-generational memories from our last great systemic shock in the 1930s. I suspect that something like this is bound to happen every 3-4 generations as we unlearn the lessons our grandparents and great-grandparents learned to their cost.</p>
<p>-Anon2:56</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 2:56 PM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You complex systems comment is an important observation. Can you elaborate?  Thanks.</description>
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<p>You complex systems comment is an important observation. Can you elaborate?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The whole point of the liquidity mania is to make all assets equivalent to cash. The consequence of this is cognitive failure. Should we evaluate risks in dollar, or perhaps, yen terms?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even more ironically, the long term effect of attempting to use excessive liquidity to transmorgify risky illiquid assets into the equivalent of cash has been to transfer risk from the former to the latter. We started out trying to make buying houses as safe as holding dollars, and ended up making holding dollars as risky as buying a house.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps a lesson to be learned here is that liquidity acts as an efficient conductor of risk. It doesn&#039;t make risk go away, but moves it more quickly from one investment sector to another.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From a complex systems theory standpoint, this is exactly what you would do if you wanted to take a stable system and destabilize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The whole point of the liquidity mania is to make all assets equivalent to cash. The consequence of this is cognitive failure. Should we evaluate risks in dollar, or perhaps, yen terms?</i></p>
<p>Even more ironically, the long term effect of attempting to use excessive liquidity to transmorgify risky illiquid assets into the equivalent of cash has been to transfer risk from the former to the latter. We started out trying to make buying houses as safe as holding dollars, and ended up making holding dollars as risky as buying a house.</p>
<p>Perhaps a lesson to be learned here is that liquidity acts as an efficient conductor of risk. It doesn&#8217;t make risk go away, but moves it more quickly from one investment sector to another.</p>
<p>From a complex systems theory standpoint, this is exactly what you would do if you wanted to take a stable system and destabilize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liquidity&quot;&#039;s virtue appears to be that it is a good slippery word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liquidity&#8221;&#8217;s virtue appears to be that it is a good slippery word.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you compress a petroleum based lubricant, it ignites; if you rapidly disperse it, it easily explodes.  Sound familiar, hey?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To me, much of the distorted thinking regarding liquidity has its root in the tortuous notion that there is no distinction between price and value.  If transactions are based on accurately assessed and stable values, than liquidity is a good, and one should presume that said liquidity in executing transactions closely tracks the inherent risk of the assets and terms involved.  But if liquidity is based on price, stability and risk are inherently obscured---and too easily and too often forgotten altogether.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider our present situation:  government intervention in the financial markets has indeed provided liquidity, but with valuation discovery, counterparty risk, and systemic stability all still deeply obsured we have little in the way of transactions.  Soooo . . . valuation does appear to matter after all, what?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll repeat this because it has been so often dismissed and remains obscured:  Where valuation is transparent, liquidity---high or low---corresponds directly and closely to it.  That kind or liquidity, but _only_ that kind is good.  HIghly liquid but value-obscured assets or transactions, are, well, vaporous and combustible, as we now see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you compress a petroleum based lubricant, it ignites; if you rapidly disperse it, it easily explodes.  Sound familiar, hey?</p>
<p>To me, much of the distorted thinking regarding liquidity has its root in the tortuous notion that there is no distinction between price and value.  If transactions are based on accurately assessed and stable values, than liquidity is a good, and one should presume that said liquidity in executing transactions closely tracks the inherent risk of the assets and terms involved.  But if liquidity is based on price, stability and risk are inherently obscured&#8212;and too easily and too often forgotten altogether.  </p>
<p>Consider our present situation:  government intervention in the financial markets has indeed provided liquidity, but with valuation discovery, counterparty risk, and systemic stability all still deeply obsured we have little in the way of transactions.  Soooo . . . valuation does appear to matter after all, what?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat this because it has been so often dismissed and remains obscured:  Where valuation is transparent, liquidity&#8212;high or low&#8212;corresponds directly and closely to it.  That kind or liquidity, but _only_ that kind is good.  HIghly liquid but value-obscured assets or transactions, are, well, vaporous and combustible, as we now see.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post.  It might be said that the new name for bailout is liquidity or given how long this has gone on maybe it&#039;s the other way round.  The whole point of the liquidity mania is to make all assets equivalent to cash.  The consequence of this is cognitive failure.  Should we evaluate risks in dollar, or perhaps, yen terms?  What the hell why not evaluate it in Yahoo or even AMR terms.  People talk about moral hazard but the great risk in the liquidity mania is cognitive hazard as market places are overwhelmed by monetary noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post.  It might be said that the new name for bailout is liquidity or given how long this has gone on maybe it&#8217;s the other way round.  The whole point of the liquidity mania is to make all assets equivalent to cash.  The consequence of this is cognitive failure.  Should we evaluate risks in dollar, or perhaps, yen terms?  What the hell why not evaluate it in Yahoo or even AMR terms.  People talk about moral hazard but the great risk in the liquidity mania is cognitive hazard as market places are overwhelmed by monetary noise.</p>
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