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	<title>Comments on: Joseph Stiglitz Lambasts Inflation Targeting</title>
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		<title>By: Flow5</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/joseph-stiglitz-lambasts-inflation.html#comment-7857</link>
		<dc:creator>Flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1)“Raising interest rates cannot bring inflation down to the targeted levels”&lt;br/&gt;(2)“need to abandon inflation targeting”  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Central banks cannot control interest rates, even in the short-end of the market, except temporarily.  The effect of a series of temporary pegging operations is indirect, and varies widely over time, and in magnitude. The effect of tying open market policy to an interest rate target is to supply additional (and excessive) legal reserves to the banking system when loan demand increases.....  I.e., inflation targeting should be abandoned for this reason. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stiglitz was quick to identify the problem, &amp; quick to leave it begging (1) what is an acceptable inflation rate &amp; (2)  how should price indices be weighted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1)“Raising interest rates cannot bring inflation down to the targeted levels”<br />(2)“need to abandon inflation targeting”  </p>
<p>Central banks cannot control interest rates, even in the short-end of the market, except temporarily.  The effect of a series of temporary pegging operations is indirect, and varies widely over time, and in magnitude. The effect of tying open market policy to an interest rate target is to supply additional (and excessive) legal reserves to the banking system when loan demand increases&#8230;..  I.e., inflation targeting should be abandoned for this reason. </p>
<p>Stiglitz was quick to identify the problem, &#038; quick to leave it begging (1) what is an acceptable inflation rate &#038; (2)  how should price indices be weighted?</p>
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		<title>By: Flow5</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/joseph-stiglitz-lambasts-inflation.html#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator>Flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monetarism hasn’t been discredited.  Monetarism has never been tried.  Monetarism involves controlling the volume of total reserves not just the volume of non-borrowed reserves as administered by Paul Volcker. One dollar of borrowed reserves has the same expansion coefficient as one dollar of non-borrowed reserves.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Total legal reserves were inflated at a 15% annual rate in the last 6 months of 1980.  When Volcker sent nominal gnp to 19.2%, he caused the FFR to hit 22.4% in the 1st qtr 1981.  This particular 1970 event’s appellation was “time bomb” - forewarned.  Thus Volcker laid the foundation for (the end of usury rates), i.e., payday loans and unrestricted  credit card rates in 26 states.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If Bernanke was using a non-borrowed reserve target today there would be no offsetting sales of Treasury securities, reverse repurchase agreements, Treasury redemptions, etc&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And Friedman: (1) no money figure standing alone is adequate as a guide post to monetary policy. (2) velocity isn’t a constant and his use of the income velocity figure isn’t valid. (3) The money supply is in constantly flux.  (4) it should have been obvious that the DIDMCA would cause a shift from the narrow definition of money into interest bearing accounts – M2 (i.e., the elimination of Reg Q ceilings).  Therefore the Fed would receive false signals using M1;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monetarism hasn’t been discredited.  Monetarism has never been tried.  Monetarism involves controlling the volume of total reserves not just the volume of non-borrowed reserves as administered by Paul Volcker. One dollar of borrowed reserves has the same expansion coefficient as one dollar of non-borrowed reserves.  </p>
<p>Total legal reserves were inflated at a 15% annual rate in the last 6 months of 1980.  When Volcker sent nominal gnp to 19.2%, he caused the FFR to hit 22.4% in the 1st qtr 1981.  This particular 1970 event’s appellation was “time bomb” &#8211; forewarned.  Thus Volcker laid the foundation for (the end of usury rates), i.e., payday loans and unrestricted  credit card rates in 26 states.</p>
<p>If Bernanke was using a non-borrowed reserve target today there would be no offsetting sales of Treasury securities, reverse repurchase agreements, Treasury redemptions, etc</p>
<p>And Friedman: (1) no money figure standing alone is adequate as a guide post to monetary policy. (2) velocity isn’t a constant and his use of the income velocity figure isn’t valid. (3) The money supply is in constantly flux.  (4) it should have been obvious that the DIDMCA would cause a shift from the narrow definition of money into interest bearing accounts – M2 (i.e., the elimination of Reg Q ceilings).  Therefore the Fed would receive false signals using M1;</p>
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		<title>By: Anantha</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/joseph-stiglitz-lambasts-inflation.html#comment-7835</link>
		<dc:creator>Anantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are my thoughts on this particular piece by Prof. Stiglitz:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Beyond calling for abandoning inflation targeting and diversion of crops for biofuels, prof. Stiglitz has few concrete ideas in this article.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am not sure I entirely agree with his proposition. When it comes to food and energy prices, if supply cannot go up in the short-run, demand can be and should be restrained. This applies in particular to energy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just as he questions the cost of fighting inflation (rising unemployment), i wonder if there is an implicit understatement of the costs of inflation itself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Central banks all over the world - with or without government pressure - are too reluctant to have a recession. In my view, for many reasons, we need one in the world. To cite just one reason, resources are too tight. Growth just cannot go on at the pace of last five years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Central banks can make that (recession) happen, if they wish to. But, they are scared that it would spiral out of control.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This ties in neatly with the theme of the paper, &quot;Mirage of fixed exchange rates&quot; (1995) by Obstfeld and Rogoff: it is possible to have fixed exchange rates but sometimes it could be too costly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Similarly, if they believe in the need for a recession, central banks can have it but they wonder if they would pay too high a price for it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The price that they are paying and are willing to pay to keep growth up, is inflation either because they want growth at all costs or, are miscalculating that inflation costs won&#039;t be too much.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Methinks they are going to be very wrong on this one. In other words, it is going to be seriously unpleasant either way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have a nice weekend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are my thoughts on this particular piece by Prof. Stiglitz:</p>
<p>Beyond calling for abandoning inflation targeting and diversion of crops for biofuels, prof. Stiglitz has few concrete ideas in this article.</p>
<p>I am not sure I entirely agree with his proposition. When it comes to food and energy prices, if supply cannot go up in the short-run, demand can be and should be restrained. This applies in particular to energy.</p>
<p>Just as he questions the cost of fighting inflation (rising unemployment), i wonder if there is an implicit understatement of the costs of inflation itself.</p>
<p>Central banks all over the world &#8211; with or without government pressure &#8211; are too reluctant to have a recession. In my view, for many reasons, we need one in the world. To cite just one reason, resources are too tight. Growth just cannot go on at the pace of last five years.</p>
<p>Central banks can make that (recession) happen, if they wish to. But, they are scared that it would spiral out of control.</p>
<p>This ties in neatly with the theme of the paper, &#8220;Mirage of fixed exchange rates&#8221; (1995) by Obstfeld and Rogoff: it is possible to have fixed exchange rates but sometimes it could be too costly.</p>
<p>Similarly, if they believe in the need for a recession, central banks can have it but they wonder if they would pay too high a price for it.</p>
<p>The price that they are paying and are willing to pay to keep growth up, is inflation either because they want growth at all costs or, are miscalculating that inflation costs won&#8217;t be too much.</p>
<p>Methinks they are going to be very wrong on this one. In other words, it is going to be seriously unpleasant either way.</p>
<p>Have a nice weekend!</p>
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		<title>By: Flow5</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/joseph-stiglitz-lambasts-inflation.html#comment-7825</link>
		<dc:creator>Flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s obvious that the author or those referenced in this article understand money &amp; central banking because if they did they would know that monetarism has never been tried.  That goes for nobel laureates too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious that the author or those referenced in this article understand money &#038; central banking because if they did they would know that monetarism has never been tried.  That goes for nobel laureates too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stiglitz and surfwalker are right. We have an energy supply problem and it&#039;s causing price increases that have nothing to do with interest rates or too much printing, so attempting to address the price increases with interest rate hikes will only shoot your economy in the foot. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The price increases will be hard on almost everyone, but it will take a functioning economy to deal with the energy problem in a way that doesn&#039;t consign the bottom 20% of our people to a permanent Lima-style slum hell.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bernanke&#039;s job is to keep an economy alive through a painful and expensive transition to alternative energy and slow to non-existent growth. He has to try to contain genuine inflation (and he&#039;s doing that by doing what he can to shrink money supply) without using unemployment to contain price increases that are not due to inflation. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Moe Gamble</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stiglitz and surfwalker are right. We have an energy supply problem and it&#8217;s causing price increases that have nothing to do with interest rates or too much printing, so attempting to address the price increases with interest rate hikes will only shoot your economy in the foot. </p>
<p>The price increases will be hard on almost everyone, but it will take a functioning economy to deal with the energy problem in a way that doesn&#8217;t consign the bottom 20% of our people to a permanent Lima-style slum hell.</p>
<p>Bernanke&#8217;s job is to keep an economy alive through a painful and expensive transition to alternative energy and slow to non-existent growth. He has to try to contain genuine inflation (and he&#8217;s doing that by doing what he can to shrink money supply) without using unemployment to contain price increases that are not due to inflation. </p>
<p>Moe Gamble</p>
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		<title>By: surfwalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>surfwalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been arguing exactly this point for a year now in Sweden. The central bank keeps raising rates in the face of a general economic slowdown. The greatest contributions to the CPI, besides the component representing rising interest costs, are all fuel-related (for example, food prices are rising, but largely due to increased transport costs). The central bank seems perfectly willing to inflict pain if that&#039;s what the cookbook demands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been arguing exactly this point for a year now in Sweden. The central bank keeps raising rates in the face of a general economic slowdown. The greatest contributions to the CPI, besides the component representing rising interest costs, are all fuel-related (for example, food prices are rising, but largely due to increased transport costs). The central bank seems perfectly willing to inflict pain if that&#8217;s what the cookbook demands.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Deng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Deng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the debate is not so much how about the merits of inflation targeting. Rather, it&#039;s whether inflation targeting should be adopted by developing countries where food consumption accounts disproportionally a large chunk of personal disposable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the debate is not so much how about the merits of inflation targeting. Rather, it&#8217;s whether inflation targeting should be adopted by developing countries where food consumption accounts disproportionally a large chunk of personal disposable income.</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s discredited a lot by just casually stating that (price) inflation in the US is 3% when its 5.8% in India and 8% in China.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Inflation in the US is NOT 3%. Its 7.x% or 11 % depending on whether you use a 90s standard or a 70s standard.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This undermines the argument a great deal.&lt;br/&gt;-K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s discredited a lot by just casually stating that (price) inflation in the US is 3% when its 5.8% in India and 8% in China.</p>
<p>Inflation in the US is NOT 3%. Its 7.x% or 11 % depending on whether you use a 90s standard or a 70s standard.</p>
<p>This undermines the argument a great deal.<br />-K</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 11:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t the ECB essentially doing what Stiglitz argues? Instead of raising interest rates the ECB is currently holding steady, essentially betting on prices levelling out later this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t the ECB essentially doing what Stiglitz argues? Instead of raising interest rates the ECB is currently holding steady, essentially betting on prices levelling out later this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volcker stayed with strict Friedmanite M management until one day in July 1982 when it didn&#039;t suit his needs any more and he stopped.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So much for theory.  In practice, all it did was strangle the economy until stagflation was broken.  But it labor power too, and so from 1982 to the present, aside from a short interlude in the late 1990s, productivity has run well ahead of wage earnings.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the way around -that- trap was the successive asset bubbles: first equities, then mortgages, and now, possibly, commodities.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Meanwhile the Fed, which regulated and sometimes bothered to oversee most financial institution footings in 1982, now has direct control over nominally perhaps 20%.  From too much to too little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volcker stayed with strict Friedmanite M management until one day in July 1982 when it didn&#8217;t suit his needs any more and he stopped.</p>
<p>So much for theory.  In practice, all it did was strangle the economy until stagflation was broken.  But it labor power too, and so from 1982 to the present, aside from a short interlude in the late 1990s, productivity has run well ahead of wage earnings.  </p>
<p>And the way around -that- trap was the successive asset bubbles: first equities, then mortgages, and now, possibly, commodities.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile the Fed, which regulated and sometimes bothered to oversee most financial institution footings in 1982, now has direct control over nominally perhaps 20%.  From too much to too little.</p>
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