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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/should-we-be-worried-about-rising-m3.html#comment-8413</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: bond vigilantes and China&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Brad Setser recently pointed out that PBoC has over $500 billion in US agency debt...that is to say in US mortgages.  So they are going to lose their shorts on this investment due to foreclosure/defaults.  If they stop buying agencies, the price drops sharply and they get a big loss on their current holdings.  Chinese financial authorities have boxed themselves in rather tightly, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: bond vigilantes and China</p>
<p>Brad Setser recently pointed out that PBoC has over $500 billion in US agency debt&#8230;that is to say in US mortgages.  So they are going to lose their shorts on this investment due to foreclosure/defaults.  If they stop buying agencies, the price drops sharply and they get a big loss on their current holdings.  Chinese financial authorities have boxed themselves in rather tightly, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Flow5</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/should-we-be-worried-about-rising-m3.html#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator>Flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a succulent irony that professional economists, (those who confuse the supply of money with the supply of loan-funds), thus conclude that increases in the old monetary figure “L”, (or M2, or M3), are inflationary. The conclusion is tantamount to saying, “don’t save money” as savings (which we don’t have enough of) adds to “L” and therefore has an inflationary bias, when in fact, savings (a large portion of “L”) is evidence of money that has already been saved/spent/invested.  Savings-investment accounts have been lumped into the Keynesian inspired concept of money (as are MMF funds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a succulent irony that professional economists, (those who confuse the supply of money with the supply of loan-funds), thus conclude that increases in the old monetary figure “L”, (or M2, or M3), are inflationary. The conclusion is tantamount to saying, “don’t save money” as savings (which we don’t have enough of) adds to “L” and therefore has an inflationary bias, when in fact, savings (a large portion of “L”) is evidence of money that has already been saved/spent/invested.  Savings-investment accounts have been lumped into the Keynesian inspired concept of money (as are MMF funds).</p>
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		<title>By: Flow5</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/should-we-be-worried-about-rising-m3.html#comment-8392</link>
		<dc:creator>Flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What goes for M2 also goes for M3.  M2 erroneously includes MMFs in its definition (a sizable #).  MMFs are the customer&#039;s of the commercial banks.  They are financial intermediaries/transmitters.  Monetary savings are never transferred from the commercial banks to the intermediaries; rather are monetary savings always transferred through the intermediaries. Whether the public saves or dis-saves, chooses to hold their savings in the commercial banks or to transfer them to intermediary institutions will not, per se, alter the total assets or liabilities of the commercial banks; nor alter the forms of these assets or liabilities. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Financial intermediaries (MMFs) lend existing money which has been saved, and all of these savings originate OUTSIDE of the intermediaries (depend on an inflow of savings to finance loans). The utilization of these loan-funds, or the activation of monetary savings held by these financial intermediaries, is captured thru the velocity of their deposits (bank debits/withdrawals), and not thru the volume of their bank deposits. I.e., from the standpoint of the economy, MMF deposits never leave the MCB System. And the growth of the MMFs is prima facie evidence that existing funds/savings have already been saved/invested/spent, i.e., transferred/transmitted by their owners/savers/creditors to borrowers/debtors.  I.e., this currently (but not for ever) represents a double counting, and will continue to be so, as long as these intermediary financial institutions don’t practice/conduct a transaction’s deposit business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What goes for M2 also goes for M3.  M2 erroneously includes MMFs in its definition (a sizable #).  MMFs are the customer&#8217;s of the commercial banks.  They are financial intermediaries/transmitters.  Monetary savings are never transferred from the commercial banks to the intermediaries; rather are monetary savings always transferred through the intermediaries. Whether the public saves or dis-saves, chooses to hold their savings in the commercial banks or to transfer them to intermediary institutions will not, per se, alter the total assets or liabilities of the commercial banks; nor alter the forms of these assets or liabilities. </p>
<p>Financial intermediaries (MMFs) lend existing money which has been saved, and all of these savings originate OUTSIDE of the intermediaries (depend on an inflow of savings to finance loans). The utilization of these loan-funds, or the activation of monetary savings held by these financial intermediaries, is captured thru the velocity of their deposits (bank debits/withdrawals), and not thru the volume of their bank deposits. I.e., from the standpoint of the economy, MMF deposits never leave the MCB System. And the growth of the MMFs is prima facie evidence that existing funds/savings have already been saved/invested/spent, i.e., transferred/transmitted by their owners/savers/creditors to borrowers/debtors.  I.e., this currently (but not for ever) represents a double counting, and will continue to be so, as long as these intermediary financial institutions don’t practice/conduct a transaction’s deposit business.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/should-we-be-worried-about-rising-m3.html#comment-8348</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;China is still super corrupt. Its essentially stealing its citizens savings to lend to the US so we can buy nike&#039;s. How is that a good strategy for the longterm?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s not, and the food and inflation riots in China is a testament.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But hear this - it will take a lot more than voices of the disenfranchised citizens for China to change their ways. It&#039;s not in their culture to admit a major f-up, losing face is worse than death.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore, as long as there is Asia, nobody should worry about the mythical bond vigilantes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>China is still super corrupt. Its essentially stealing its citizens savings to lend to the US so we can buy nike&#8217;s. How is that a good strategy for the longterm?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not, and the food and inflation riots in China is a testament.</p>
<p>But hear this &#8211; it will take a lot more than voices of the disenfranchised citizens for China to change their ways. It&#8217;s not in their culture to admit a major f-up, losing face is worse than death.</p>
<p>Therefore, as long as there is Asia, nobody should worry about the mythical bond vigilantes.</p>
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		<title>By: mock turtle</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/should-we-be-worried-about-rising-m3.html#comment-8346</link>
		<dc:creator>mock turtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i&#039;m a little confused&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i can see the argument pro and con regarding M3 growth...does or not matter.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;but the fact is M3 is soaring&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and so is M2...469 billion dollars in the past year&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;so why the argument...or rather the emphasis on M1...yeah it&#039;s been static this year...so what&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;M2 is up over 7% y o y&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;M3 is arguably twice that&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;meanwhile the commodities we MUST have (no not running shoes and plasma tv )  food and energy are skyrocketing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;M2 M3 growth and rising food and energy costs spell inflation&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;slowing economy at home is stagnation&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;STAGFLATION is our future. NO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok</p>
<p>i&#8217;m a little confused</p>
<p>i can see the argument pro and con regarding M3 growth&#8230;does or not matter.</p>
<p>but the fact is M3 is soaring</p>
<p>and so is M2&#8230;469 billion dollars in the past year</p>
<p><a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/" rel="nofollow">http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/</a></p>
<p>so why the argument&#8230;or rather the emphasis on M1&#8230;yeah it&#8217;s been static this year&#8230;so what</p>
<p>M2 is up over 7% y o y</p>
<p>M3 is arguably twice that</p>
<p>meanwhile the commodities we MUST have (no not running shoes and plasma tv )  food and energy are skyrocketing.</p>
<p>M2 M3 growth and rising food and energy costs spell inflation</p>
<p>slowing economy at home is stagnation</p>
<p>STAGFLATION is our future. NO?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Pearson, I second your observations and will add a third:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, the U.S. economy now faces the prospect of inflation and recession at the same time, &quot;partly because the dollar has ceased to be accepted as the reserve currency it has been&quot; in the past, Soros said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Pearson, I second your observations and will add a third:</p>
<p>Finally, the U.S. economy now faces the prospect of inflation and recession at the same time, &#8220;partly because the dollar has ceased to be accepted as the reserve currency it has been&#8221; in the past, Soros said.</p>
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		<title>By: Flow5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DIDMCA laid the legal framework for the addition of 38,000 commercial banks to the 14,000 we already had.  In doing so it also blurred all deposit classifications.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The evidence of inflation is represented by &quot;actual&quot; prices in the marketplace. The &quot;administered prices would not be the “actual” market prices were they not “VALIDATED” by (MVt)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DIDMCA laid the legal framework for the addition of 38,000 commercial banks to the 14,000 we already had.  In doing so it also blurred all deposit classifications.  </p>
<p>The evidence of inflation is represented by &#8220;actual&#8221; prices in the marketplace. The &#8220;administered prices would not be the “actual” market prices were they not “VALIDATED” by (MVt)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, it really is amazing what Asia is doing.  i suspect the public knows very little of what is going on or its gradually leaking out.  China is still super corrupt.  Its essentially stealing its citizens savings to lend to the US so we can buy nike&#039;s.  How is that a good strategy for the longterm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, it really is amazing what Asia is doing.  i suspect the public knows very little of what is going on or its gradually leaking out.  China is still super corrupt.  Its essentially stealing its citizens savings to lend to the US so we can buy nike&#8217;s.  How is that a good strategy for the longterm?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mess with bond vigilantes at your peril.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;LOL, that&#039;s the stupidest thing I&#039;ve ever heard. China will always hoard US bonds at whatever price.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As dumb and irresponsible our Fed may be, they are a distant second from the Asian governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mess with bond vigilantes at your peril.</i></p>
<p>LOL, that&#8217;s the stupidest thing I&#8217;ve ever heard. China will always hoard US bonds at whatever price.</p>
<p>As dumb and irresponsible our Fed may be, they are a distant second from the Asian governments.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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