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	<title>Comments on: Weird Wall Street Journal Story on Bear&#8217;s Demise</title>
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		<title>By: Extreme Wisdom</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-9018</link>
		<dc:creator>Extreme Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quality of the WSJ has crashed since Murdoch took over.  By 2010, USA Today will have better business coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quality of the WSJ has crashed since Murdoch took over.  By 2010, USA Today will have better business coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8648</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder the Street is in the mess it&#039;s in. I was only in trading environments early in my career, through the mid 1990s, but I worked with really good people who knew how to manage an operation doing pretty complex strategies (and they were pretty well connected, indeed, were looked to by other shops as a model).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The top trader was in charge of the risk position for his desk and had oversight for the entire firm&#039;s position.  (750 people, regularly traded 5% of the NYSE hedging its book). The idea that you&#039;d have a manager overseeing traders would have been considered absurd. They wouldn&#039;t have known enough and would have lacked authority.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One guy I knew would simply do overlays if he didn&#039;t like what the traders on the desk were doing or if he thought their positions were good but in total it made for too big a bet in one direction. The managerial types were number two on the desk, the uber trader was number one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jeez, the Street is being run like commercial banking but paying itself like investment bankers. No wonder it&#039;s blown itself up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder the Street is in the mess it&#8217;s in. I was only in trading environments early in my career, through the mid 1990s, but I worked with really good people who knew how to manage an operation doing pretty complex strategies (and they were pretty well connected, indeed, were looked to by other shops as a model).</p>
<p>The top trader was in charge of the risk position for his desk and had oversight for the entire firm&#8217;s position.  (750 people, regularly traded 5% of the NYSE hedging its book). The idea that you&#8217;d have a manager overseeing traders would have been considered absurd. They wouldn&#8217;t have known enough and would have lacked authority.</p>
<p>One guy I knew would simply do overlays if he didn&#8217;t like what the traders on the desk were doing or if he thought their positions were good but in total it made for too big a bet in one direction. The managerial types were number two on the desk, the uber trader was number one.</p>
<p>Jeez, the Street is being run like commercial banking but paying itself like investment bankers. No wonder it&#8217;s blown itself up.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8647</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 09:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree with raf.  At big houses the Head of Prop Trading is foremost a manager, secondly a trader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree with raf.  At big houses the Head of Prop Trading is foremost a manager, secondly a trader.</p>
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		<title>By: raf</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8636</link>
		<dc:creator>raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Head of Prop Trading is not necessarily the best trader as his/her job is mainly to manage the prop traders and make sure they don&#039;t blow up the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Head of Prop Trading is not necessarily the best trader as his/her job is mainly to manage the prop traders and make sure they don&#8217;t blow up the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: bobo7874</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8624</link>
		<dc:creator>bobo7874</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon 2:12,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t read too much into the particular winners and losers from a crunch.  There&#039;s a lot of luck involved.  In the 1998 bond market crunch, Morgan and Lehman did better than Goldman.  Goldman&#039;s losses were probably the main reason that Corzine lost the top job, and the firm deferred its IPO.  And on Black Monday in 1987, Morgan made tons of money from puts on the S&amp;P index that it bought beforehand (but after the banks had made a crash likely by selling tons of portfolio insurance to investors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon 2:12,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t read too much into the particular winners and losers from a crunch.  There&#8217;s a lot of luck involved.  In the 1998 bond market crunch, Morgan and Lehman did better than Goldman.  Goldman&#8217;s losses were probably the main reason that Corzine lost the top job, and the firm deferred its IPO.  And on Black Monday in 1987, Morgan made tons of money from puts on the S&#038;P index that it bought beforehand (but after the banks had made a crash likely by selling tons of portfolio insurance to investors).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8611</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article raises a thought in my mind:  Are some firms doing worse in the subprime crisis due to a failure of underlings to respect the authority of women?  You mention Wendy de Monchaux as a manager whose instructions were circumvented.  A recent article on Zoe Cruz of Morgan Stanley more or less said the same thing.  The was even a quote from someone who had just moved over from Goldman remarking that such insurrection by underlings just doesn&#039;t happen there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article raises a thought in my mind:  Are some firms doing worse in the subprime crisis due to a failure of underlings to respect the authority of women?  You mention Wendy de Monchaux as a manager whose instructions were circumvented.  A recent article on Zoe Cruz of Morgan Stanley more or less said the same thing.  The was even a quote from someone who had just moved over from Goldman remarking that such insurrection by underlings just doesn&#8217;t happen there.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8588</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, These firms are out to maximize their bottom line. The prop traders play with the house&#039;s money and have the latitude to take bets over a wide range of markets and instruments. Sometimes they&#039;ll get moved from prop trading to an in-house hedge fund to keep them from leaving to form their own hedge fund. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Put if this way, if the best trader isn&#039;t running prop trading (or at least pretty senior on that desk), it&#039;s a management failing, or perhaps that best trader is too young to have convincingly proven himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, These firms are out to maximize their bottom line. The prop traders play with the house&#8217;s money and have the latitude to take bets over a wide range of markets and instruments. Sometimes they&#8217;ll get moved from prop trading to an in-house hedge fund to keep them from leaving to form their own hedge fund. </p>
<p>Put if this way, if the best trader isn&#8217;t running prop trading (or at least pretty senior on that desk), it&#8217;s a management failing, or perhaps that best trader is too young to have convincingly proven himself.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/05/weird-wall-street-journal-story-on.html#comment-8587</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At most firms, the head of proprietary trading is the best trader in the house&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At most firms, the head of proprietary trading is the best trader in the house&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?</p>
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