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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to think out loud, but it is funny how ASB Banking Group sold out of LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited, yet LEH still claims that LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited is an active sub.  I also could not verify the sale or exchanges of Silver Fern by ASB in 2003; there are no records and I really doubt if it matters.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to think out loud, but it is funny how ASB Banking Group sold out of LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited, yet LEH still claims that LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited is an active sub.  I also could not verify the sale or exchanges of Silver Fern by ASB in 2003; there are no records and I really doubt if it matters.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to apologize to Ms Yves et al for this stupid wild goose chase, but, one does wonder how LEH engineered the book (&#039;s):&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Subsidiaries Disposed of &lt;br/&gt;- &lt;br/&gt;LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited&lt;br/&gt; 27 September 2005 $350m $350m  -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nonetheless, deals like this seems to have connections to Floating Rate Notes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to apologize to Ms Yves et al for this stupid wild goose chase, but, one does wonder how LEH engineered the book (&#8217;s):</p>
<p>Subsidiaries Disposed of <br />- <br />LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited<br /> 27 September 2005 $350m $350m  -</p>
<p>Nonetheless, deals like this seems to have connections to Floating Rate Notes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, another empty shell (for now) maybe:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On 1 July 2003, ASB Investments Limited was sold to ASB Group (Life) Limited.  &lt;br/&gt;Stockbridge Holdings Limited was incorporated on 14 July 2003 and SR Edinburgh Limited was acquired on 30 July 2003 resulting &lt;br/&gt;in an increase of $400.0m to the net assets of the Banking Group. &lt;br/&gt;The investment in Silver Fern Investments Limited was sold on 19 September 2003 resulting in a decrease of $600.0m to the net &lt;br/&gt;assets of the Banking Group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, another empty shell (for now) maybe:</p>
<p>On 1 July 2003, ASB Investments Limited was sold to ASB Group (Life) Limited.  <br />Stockbridge Holdings Limited was incorporated on 14 July 2003 and SR Edinburgh Limited was acquired on 30 July 2003 resulting <br />in an increase of $400.0m to the net assets of the Banking Group. <br />The investment in Silver Fern Investments Limited was sold on 19 September 2003 resulting in a decrease of $600.0m to the net <br />assets of the Banking Group.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASB General Disclosure&lt;br/&gt;Statement&lt;br/&gt;ANNUAL REPORT 2007&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;reports.asb.co.nz/tp/download/89163/fcd41708c1434361f0f3f6f619b9f2de/ASB-Jun-07.pdf - &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Basis of Consolidation&lt;br/&gt;Subsidiaries&lt;br/&gt;Subsidiaries are those entities controlled by the Bank. Control exists when the Bank has the power, directly or indirectly, to govern&lt;br/&gt;the financial and operating policies of entities so as to obtain benefits from its activities. The financial statements of subsidiaries are&lt;br/&gt;included in the consolidated financial statements from the date on which control is transferred to the Bank until the date that control&lt;br/&gt;ceases.&lt;br/&gt;Assets, liabilities and results of subsidiaries are included in the consolidated financial statements on the basis of financial&lt;br/&gt;statements made up to balance date, using the purchase method. All intra-group balances and transactions have been eliminated in&lt;br/&gt;preparing the consolidated financial statements.&lt;br/&gt;Associates&lt;br/&gt;Associates are those entities in which the Bank has significant influence, but not control, over the financial and operating policies.&lt;br/&gt;The Bank has representation on the board of directors of all companies classified as Associates. Associates are accounted for under&lt;br/&gt;the equity method of accounting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASB General Disclosure<br />Statement<br />ANNUAL REPORT 2007</p>
<p>reports.asb.co.nz/tp/download/89163/fcd41708c1434361f0f3f6f619b9f2de/ASB-Jun-07.pdf &#8211; </p>
<p>Basis of Consolidation<br />Subsidiaries<br />Subsidiaries are those entities controlled by the Bank. Control exists when the Bank has the power, directly or indirectly, to govern<br />the financial and operating policies of entities so as to obtain benefits from its activities. The financial statements of subsidiaries are<br />included in the consolidated financial statements from the date on which control is transferred to the Bank until the date that control<br />ceases.<br />Assets, liabilities and results of subsidiaries are included in the consolidated financial statements on the basis of financial<br />statements made up to balance date, using the purchase method. All intra-group balances and transactions have been eliminated in<br />preparing the consolidated financial statements.<br />Associates<br />Associates are those entities in which the Bank has significant influence, but not control, over the financial and operating policies.<br />The Bank has representation on the board of directors of all companies classified as Associates. Associates are accounted for under<br />the equity method of accounting.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday (IRS Bounty Hunter)</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday (IRS Bounty Hunter)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASB Bank Limited  Annual Report 2002&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;asianbanks.net/HTML/Files/NZ/ASB%20Annual%202002.pdf&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The companies and subsidiaries under which we provide our customers with the range of &lt;br/&gt;products and services they need to achieve their financial goals are collectively known as &lt;br/&gt;ASB Group.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;SilverFern Investments Limited is included as an in-substance subsidiary as the 25% shareholding represents 70% of the voting rights. &lt;br/&gt;The day-to-day management of SilverFern Investments Limited and LB Alpha Finance (Cayman) Limited is provided by external parties. &lt;br/&gt;The Companies Office has given exemptions for L B Alpha Finance (Cayman) Limited and SilverFern Investments Limited to maintain balance &lt;br/&gt;dates different to that of The Bank.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bastards, I love hunting under rocks for these snakes, but they have so many little holes to crawl in and then spawn.  The good news is, they always, without fail screw up and pop up retarded heads as if the coast is clear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASB Bank Limited  Annual Report 2002</p>
<p>asianbanks.net/HTML/Files/NZ/ASB%20Annual%202002.pdf</p>
<p>The companies and subsidiaries under which we provide our customers with the range of <br />products and services they need to achieve their financial goals are collectively known as <br />ASB Group.</p>
<p>SilverFern Investments Limited is included as an in-substance subsidiary as the 25% shareholding represents 70% of the voting rights. <br />The day-to-day management of SilverFern Investments Limited and LB Alpha Finance (Cayman) Limited is provided by external parties. <br />The Companies Office has given exemptions for L B Alpha Finance (Cayman) Limited and SilverFern Investments Limited to maintain balance <br />dates different to that of The Bank.</p>
<p>Bastards, I love hunting under rocks for these snakes, but they have so many little holes to crawl in and then spawn.  The good news is, they always, without fail screw up and pop up retarded heads as if the coast is clear!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R3 is Lehman&#039;s internal Compliance restriction code that covers Lehman&#039;s own shares.  Anybody else find that odd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R3 is Lehman&#8217;s internal Compliance restriction code that covers Lehman&#8217;s own shares.  Anybody else find that odd?</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo to all the good detective work by the other posters showing the offshore shenanigans. As for the IRS being alerted to this, they themselves are a trust based in Puerto Rico, not fully subject to US laws. I think the banks are merely following a good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo to all the good detective work by the other posters showing the offshore shenanigans. As for the IRS being alerted to this, they themselves are a trust based in Puerto Rico, not fully subject to US laws. I think the banks are merely following a good example.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, didn&#039;t some one sling mud at you a few weeks ago??&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Re:  &quot;By pushing the company&#039;s aggressive investment strategy, he helped make Enron the biggest wholesaler of gas and electricity, with $27 billion traded in a quarter. The firm&#039;s figures, however, had to be accepted at face value. Under Skilling, Enron adopted mark to market accounting, in which anticipated future profits from any deal were tabulated as if real today. Thus, Enron could record gains from what over time might turn out losses, as the company&#039;s fiscal health became secondary to manipulating its stock price on Wall Street during the Tech boom. But when a company&#039;s success is measured by agreeable financial statements emerging from a black box, a term Skilling himself admitted, actual balance sheets prove inconvenient. Indeed, Enron&#039;s unscrupulous actions were often gambles to keep the deception going and so push up the stock price, which was posted daily in the company elevator. An advancing number meant a continued infusion of investor capital on which debt-ridden Enron in large part subsisted. Its fall would collapse the house of cards. Under pressure to maintain the illusion, Skilling verbally attacked Wall Street Analyst Richard Grubman[3], who questioned Enron&#039;s unusual accounting practice during a recorded conference call. When Grubman complained that Enron was the only company that could not release a balance sheet along with its earnings statements, Skilling replied &quot;Well, thank you very much, we appreciate that . . . asshole.&quot; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, didn&#8217;t some one sling mud at you a few weeks ago??</p>
<p>Re:  &#8220;By pushing the company&#8217;s aggressive investment strategy, he helped make Enron the biggest wholesaler of gas and electricity, with $27 billion traded in a quarter. The firm&#8217;s figures, however, had to be accepted at face value. Under Skilling, Enron adopted mark to market accounting, in which anticipated future profits from any deal were tabulated as if real today. Thus, Enron could record gains from what over time might turn out losses, as the company&#8217;s fiscal health became secondary to manipulating its stock price on Wall Street during the Tech boom. But when a company&#8217;s success is measured by agreeable financial statements emerging from a black box, a term Skilling himself admitted, actual balance sheets prove inconvenient. Indeed, Enron&#8217;s unscrupulous actions were often gambles to keep the deception going and so push up the stock price, which was posted daily in the company elevator. An advancing number meant a continued infusion of investor capital on which debt-ridden Enron in large part subsisted. Its fall would collapse the house of cards. Under pressure to maintain the illusion, Skilling verbally attacked Wall Street Analyst Richard Grubman[3], who questioned Enron&#8217;s unusual accounting practice during a recorded conference call. When Grubman complained that Enron was the only company that could not release a balance sheet along with its earnings statements, Skilling replied &#8220;Well, thank you very much, we appreciate that . . . asshole.&#8221; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if my previous comment is still in the ether, or been bounced...but the gist was my opinion  that since Rick Rieder and Dave Sherr had their hands on just about every major mortgage transaction Lehman handled over the past several years...if not at the structuring phase then in the secondary market (Sherr) or in repackaging it as a CDO (Rieder), they know everything.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whoever is left at Lehman clearly wants them close by in case the board, regulators, unhappy investors (and their lawyers), or others, come calling, wanting to know the decision process and who was responsible for some of the more gargantuan losses and more tawdry deals.  This includes the commitment and structured finance committees, the risk and legal groups, as well as senior business managers from both sides of the fence (banking and proprietary trading).  Cannot blame them for their concern in this regard but as a shareholder, I wish that more thought had gone into these deals and perhaps some vig foregone at the outset rather than being used this way... .  The funding of these vehicles and any sale of Tier 3 assets to them is just waaaay too creative to ignore, and why would shareholders who have been given the runaround before even want to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if my previous comment is still in the ether, or been bounced&#8230;but the gist was my opinion  that since Rick Rieder and Dave Sherr had their hands on just about every major mortgage transaction Lehman handled over the past several years&#8230;if not at the structuring phase then in the secondary market (Sherr) or in repackaging it as a CDO (Rieder), they know everything.</p>
<p>Whoever is left at Lehman clearly wants them close by in case the board, regulators, unhappy investors (and their lawyers), or others, come calling, wanting to know the decision process and who was responsible for some of the more gargantuan losses and more tawdry deals.  This includes the commitment and structured finance committees, the risk and legal groups, as well as senior business managers from both sides of the fence (banking and proprietary trading).  Cannot blame them for their concern in this regard but as a shareholder, I wish that more thought had gone into these deals and perhaps some vig foregone at the outset rather than being used this way&#8230; .  The funding of these vehicles and any sale of Tier 3 assets to them is just waaaay too creative to ignore, and why would shareholders who have been given the runaround before even want to?</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  In 1989 The Commonwealth Bank acquired 75% of ASB Bank in New Zealand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.  Shares owned in LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited and SilverFern Investments Limited carry 75% and 70% of the voting rights in the respective companies&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3.  Yah gotta love the fact that Lehman seems to have mis-placed some cash:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In interviews with Fortune, Miscik (pronounced MISS-ik) and her colleagues describe her improbable journey from Washington to Wall Street, where Lehman deploys her in the financial world not only for her steely intellect but also for her cachet as a former spy. At this year&#039;s Black Diamond Executive Conference in Beaver Creek, Colo., the firm&#039;s annual gathering for about 100 key clients, they booked her as a main speaker along with Alan Greenspan and Colin Powell.  http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134938/index.htm&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Want more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  In 1989 The Commonwealth Bank acquired 75% of ASB Bank in New Zealand.</p>
<p>2.  Shares owned in LB Alpha Finance Cayman Limited and SilverFern Investments Limited carry 75% and 70% of the voting rights in the respective companies</p>
<p>3.  Yah gotta love the fact that Lehman seems to have mis-placed some cash:</p>
<p>In interviews with Fortune, Miscik (pronounced MISS-ik) and her colleagues describe her improbable journey from Washington to Wall Street, where Lehman deploys her in the financial world not only for her steely intellect but also for her cachet as a former spy. At this year&#8217;s Black Diamond Executive Conference in Beaver Creek, Colo., the firm&#8217;s annual gathering for about 100 key clients, they booked her as a main speaker along with Alan Greenspan and Colin Powell.  <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134938/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134938/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Want more?</p>
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