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	<title>Comments on: Bair to Attempt Mods in IndyMac&#8217;s Servicing Portfolio</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average loss severities are running around 50-75% for subprime first liens for the 2004-2007 vintages. Second lien losses are in the 100+% range. Some of the Trustees (for example Wells Fargo, Citibank) will list on the monthly trust reports the indivual loss amount and loss severity for each loss taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average loss severities are running around 50-75% for subprime first liens for the 2004-2007 vintages. Second lien losses are in the 100+% range. Some of the Trustees (for example Wells Fargo, Citibank) will list on the monthly trust reports the indivual loss amount and loss severity for each loss taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, your assumption is correct.  The more vacations and boats you have, the more you get bailed out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even better, you get to keep the boat.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ain&#039;t America grand?  (unless you are fiscally responsible)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, your assumption is correct.  The more vacations and boats you have, the more you get bailed out.</p>
<p>Even better, you get to keep the boat.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t America grand?  (unless you are fiscally responsible)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Byshenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Byshenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m misunderstanding, but the &quot;mods&quot; being discussed... are they possible writedowns? And if that is the case, isn&#039;t there an additional potential problem -- perhaps under the heading of &quot;moral hazard&quot;, but certainly falling under the heading of equity?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is, if I am delinquent -- perhaps in part because I borrowed to fund a cruise, a new 4x4, and a boat -- and am therefore entitled(?) to a &quot;mod&quot;, then what of my neighbor, who is able to make his payments because he drives a ten-year-old Toyota and vacations at the state park? Presumably he has suffered the same 30% (or whatever) paper &quot;loss&quot; on his house as I; is he also entitled to relief?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If not, then there is a danger of rewarding the reckless while punishing the careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m misunderstanding, but the &#8220;mods&#8221; being discussed&#8230; are they possible writedowns? And if that is the case, isn&#8217;t there an additional potential problem &#8212; perhaps under the heading of &#8220;moral hazard&#8221;, but certainly falling under the heading of equity?</p>
<p>That is, if I am delinquent &#8212; perhaps in part because I borrowed to fund a cruise, a new 4&#215;4, and a boat &#8212; and am therefore entitled(?) to a &#8220;mod&#8221;, then what of my neighbor, who is able to make his payments because he drives a ten-year-old Toyota and vacations at the state park? Presumably he has suffered the same 30% (or whatever) paper &#8220;loss&#8221; on his house as I; is he also entitled to relief?</p>
<p>If not, then there is a danger of rewarding the reckless while punishing the careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn H</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/bair-to-attempt-mods-in-indymacs.html#comment-11389</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Hope NOW principle reductions require a cut to 85% of current value, you&#039;re talking at least 40% reductions on the typical loans.  In the IMB case, that equates to $6.6B in forgiven principle for delinquents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you had $1M in an IMB account (10,000 folks had above the $100k insured limit), the FDIC does not have enough to make you whole ($1B total uninsured deposits).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So the FDIC has $6.6B to give to slackers, but does not have $1B to return the money to their rightful owners.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Am I the only one to see the lunacy here?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reason?  In 2002, Bush wanted to win the 2004 election.  He knew he needed to get out of that recession quickly.  Wall St and the NAR wanted their cut too, so they hatched a plan to get lots of money into the hands of unsophisticated borrowers.  Why?  THEY ARE FEE-INSENSITIVE.  Great for realtors, great for Wall St.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now that this lunacy comes home to roost, they are stealing from the accounts of the fiscally responsible to give to the delinquents.  Why?  THEY ARE FEE-INSENSITIVE.  More fees for the reworked mortgage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Everyone wins.  Almost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Hope NOW principle reductions require a cut to 85% of current value, you&#8217;re talking at least 40% reductions on the typical loans.  In the IMB case, that equates to $6.6B in forgiven principle for delinquents.</p>
<p>If you had $1M in an IMB account (10,000 folks had above the $100k insured limit), the FDIC does not have enough to make you whole ($1B total uninsured deposits).</p>
<p>So the FDIC has $6.6B to give to slackers, but does not have $1B to return the money to their rightful owners.</p>
<p>Am I the only one to see the lunacy here?</p>
<p>The reason?  In 2002, Bush wanted to win the 2004 election.  He knew he needed to get out of that recession quickly.  Wall St and the NAR wanted their cut too, so they hatched a plan to get lots of money into the hands of unsophisticated borrowers.  Why?  THEY ARE FEE-INSENSITIVE.  Great for realtors, great for Wall St.</p>
<p>Now that this lunacy comes home to roost, they are stealing from the accounts of the fiscally responsible to give to the delinquents.  Why?  THEY ARE FEE-INSENSITIVE.  More fees for the reworked mortgage.</p>
<p>Everyone wins.  Almost.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is, of course, the possibility that IndyMac&#039;s portfolio is large enough and concentrated enough that doing a large number of mods would keep enough REO off the market so as to reduce losses throughout the system. For the FDIC, this may be an entirely rational action if they believe that further acceleration would cause even more bank failures and severely damage the FDIC balance sheet.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are some agency issues, of course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is just speculation, but if this is anything like what FDIC thinks, it would imply they have a very negative view of the coming months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is, of course, the possibility that IndyMac&#8217;s portfolio is large enough and concentrated enough that doing a large number of mods would keep enough REO off the market so as to reduce losses throughout the system. For the FDIC, this may be an entirely rational action if they believe that further acceleration would cause even more bank failures and severely damage the FDIC balance sheet.</p>
<p>There are some agency issues, of course.</p>
<p>This is just speculation, but if this is anything like what FDIC thinks, it would imply they have a very negative view of the coming months.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Ms Bair is attempting to help in a bad situation, but this type of substitution is something that doesn&#039;t happen in a press conference, i.e, it seems to me that FTC should be looking at the competitive nature of antitrust issues and fair competition.  These types of government on-the-fly fixes are perhaps well intended, but I question the legality of these actions and this smacks as being the same type of fix used to bail out Bear Sterns from its corruption and mis-management!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ms Bair is attempting to help in a bad situation, but this type of substitution is something that doesn&#8217;t happen in a press conference, i.e, it seems to me that FTC should be looking at the competitive nature of antitrust issues and fair competition.  These types of government on-the-fly fixes are perhaps well intended, but I question the legality of these actions and this smacks as being the same type of fix used to bail out Bear Sterns from its corruption and mis-management!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bair... another loose cannon walking around in the gunpowder magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bair&#8230; another loose cannon walking around in the gunpowder magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I probably should have used the term &quot;loss severity&quot; which is more encompassing, rather than disaggregating it in a crude fashion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am hearing anecdotally that loss severities of a mere 40% is a good number these days (any reader input here very much appreciated).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; At the Milken Institute Global Conference, Lew Ranieri was appalled and saddened that mods weren&#039;t being made, and he maintained that they were in almost all cases better than foreclosing.  He also said that in his day, servicers did mods and investors never complained. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Conditions are different now, but all things being equal, bigger loss severities means more mods might make sense. Ranieri was keen on mods, and his experience was a foreclosure led to a 30% loss (and remember in his days, you didn&#039;t have a lot of no equity purchases or cash-out refis getting you to the same place). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I am also hearing from borrower counselors that mortgage fraud by the brokers was common, which raises a whole &#039;nother set of questions. One (who runs a 100 counselor operation and has extensive national contacts) believes it runs in the 70-80% range. The typical pattern is the broker quotes terms but the documents at closing are for a completely different deal.  She even knows of PhDs who thought they were getting 30 year fixed and found out when their statement arrived that they had signed on for an Option ARM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I probably should have used the term &#8220;loss severity&#8221; which is more encompassing, rather than disaggregating it in a crude fashion.</p>
<p>I am hearing anecdotally that loss severities of a mere 40% is a good number these days (any reader input here very much appreciated).</p>
<p> At the Milken Institute Global Conference, Lew Ranieri was appalled and saddened that mods weren&#8217;t being made, and he maintained that they were in almost all cases better than foreclosing.  He also said that in his day, servicers did mods and investors never complained. </p>
<p>Conditions are different now, but all things being equal, bigger loss severities means more mods might make sense. Ranieri was keen on mods, and his experience was a foreclosure led to a 30% loss (and remember in his days, you didn&#8217;t have a lot of no equity purchases or cash-out refis getting you to the same place). </p>
<p>But I am also hearing from borrower counselors that mortgage fraud by the brokers was common, which raises a whole &#8216;nother set of questions. One (who runs a 100 counselor operation and has extensive national contacts) believes it runs in the 70-80% range. The typical pattern is the broker quotes terms but the documents at closing are for a completely different deal.  She even knows of PhDs who thought they were getting 30 year fixed and found out when their statement arrived that they had signed on for an Option ARM.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lindmark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Lindmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bair reduces asset sales and thus cash recoveries due to loan modifications isn&#039;t that coming directly out of the pockets of uninsured depositors?  It might be laudable for her to pursue agressive loan mod but in the end who gave her the right to pick the winners and losers.  It seems as if her job is to maximize any recovery.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One slight quibble with your analysis.  While prices might be down as much as you suggest that does not necessarily imply that a loan mod is in the best interest of the lender.  The presence of mortgage insurance or other areas of potential recovery may often suggest that foreclosure is the path of least loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bair reduces asset sales and thus cash recoveries due to loan modifications isn&#8217;t that coming directly out of the pockets of uninsured depositors?  It might be laudable for her to pursue agressive loan mod but in the end who gave her the right to pick the winners and losers.  It seems as if her job is to maximize any recovery.</p>
<p>One slight quibble with your analysis.  While prices might be down as much as you suggest that does not necessarily imply that a loan mod is in the best interest of the lender.  The presence of mortgage insurance or other areas of potential recovery may often suggest that foreclosure is the path of least loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very good write-up. The banking lobby will be up in arms (since banks don&#039;t pay deposit insurance premia to provide housing subsidies), and it will be interesting to see who has more clout in Congress---the deposit insurance premium is more of a hot potato than outsiders might suspect. I do hope that Bair realizes the mortgage servicing operation is separately rated, and that pool trustees can pull servicing (or litigate), leaving much less value in the business.  If anything, FDIC should be looking to sell the servicer in the very near term. I also hope she&#039;s not indirectly encouraging Indymac mortgagors to skip a payment or two. Overall, Bair is significantly overstepping her mandate here. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is a, um, feature of the deposit insurance law that comes into play here in terms of the scope of her prerogatives. During the last banking crisis, FDIC and all others creditors shared pari passu in Receivership recoveries. So basically there were no agency problems. The law was changed in the early nineties to give FDIC absolute priority in monies recovered: no one else gets paid until FDIC is made whole. So now there&#039;s an agency problem: Bair may think the Receivership assets belong exclusively to FDIC, so she can do as she pleases. The agency problem is with the banks that must pay the insurance premia, and with the Treasury, which backstops FDIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>Very good write-up. The banking lobby will be up in arms (since banks don&#8217;t pay deposit insurance premia to provide housing subsidies), and it will be interesting to see who has more clout in Congress&#8212;the deposit insurance premium is more of a hot potato than outsiders might suspect. I do hope that Bair realizes the mortgage servicing operation is separately rated, and that pool trustees can pull servicing (or litigate), leaving much less value in the business.  If anything, FDIC should be looking to sell the servicer in the very near term. I also hope she&#8217;s not indirectly encouraging Indymac mortgagors to skip a payment or two. Overall, Bair is significantly overstepping her mandate here. </p>
<p>There is a, um, feature of the deposit insurance law that comes into play here in terms of the scope of her prerogatives. During the last banking crisis, FDIC and all others creditors shared pari passu in Receivership recoveries. So basically there were no agency problems. The law was changed in the early nineties to give FDIC absolute priority in monies recovered: no one else gets paid until FDIC is made whole. So now there&#8217;s an agency problem: Bair may think the Receivership assets belong exclusively to FDIC, so she can do as she pleases. The agency problem is with the banks that must pay the insurance premia, and with the Treasury, which backstops FDIC.</p>
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