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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could close the FED and take back control of our money supply.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why the government borrows money from itself and then pays interest on this money smacks of pure lunacy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the income tax implications of this move are absolutely delicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could close the FED and take back control of our money supply.</p>
<p>Why the government borrows money from itself and then pays interest on this money smacks of pure lunacy.</p>
<p>And the income tax implications of this move are absolutely delicious.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only way the banks can reconstruct their balance sheets, or at least their cash flow statements, is from years of steep yield curves caused by artificially low policy rates.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Um maybe lower bonuses?  Maybe even 0 bonuses and salary cuts?  Let&#039;s not forget that Morgan Stanley last year paid out twice in bonuses than what it got from recapitalization.  The numbers for employee pay-out are not trivial and are a real drain on the real economy.  CB support should not go into the undeserving pockets of bankers - which is exactly where it&#039;s ending up now.  Once the salaries and bonuses are brought back to normal numbers (60 000 USD / year should be tops for a banker who&#039;s basic job is to f**k things up in the rest of the economy), then maybe we can begin to talk about CB help for banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only way the banks can reconstruct their balance sheets, or at least their cash flow statements, is from years of steep yield curves caused by artificially low policy rates.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um maybe lower bonuses?  Maybe even 0 bonuses and salary cuts?  Let&#8217;s not forget that Morgan Stanley last year paid out twice in bonuses than what it got from recapitalization.  The numbers for employee pay-out are not trivial and are a real drain on the real economy.  CB support should not go into the undeserving pockets of bankers &#8211; which is exactly where it&#8217;s ending up now.  Once the salaries and bonuses are brought back to normal numbers (60 000 USD / year should be tops for a banker who&#8217;s basic job is to f**k things up in the rest of the economy), then maybe we can begin to talk about CB help for banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>russ,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, I got the monetary base versus money supply stuff from Krugman of all people, who IMHO was being far too deferential in a review of a book on Friedman. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I will confess I have not studied Bernanke&#039;s comments and papers on the Depression in depth, so please amplify or correct as needed. However,  I found one quote very troubling if it does represent his thinking accurately.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bernanke has said something along the lines of &quot; A determined monetary authority can always reflate&quot; and used the US in 1934 as proof. The US in 1934 was AFTER the banking system had collapsed and after the FDIC had been created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>russ,</p>
<p>Actually, I got the monetary base versus money supply stuff from Krugman of all people, who IMHO was being far too deferential in a review of a book on Friedman. </p>
<p>I will confess I have not studied Bernanke&#8217;s comments and papers on the Depression in depth, so please amplify or correct as needed. However,  I found one quote very troubling if it does represent his thinking accurately.</p>
<p>Bernanke has said something along the lines of &#8221; A determined monetary authority can always reflate&#8221; and used the US in 1934 as proof. The US in 1934 was AFTER the banking system had collapsed and after the FDIC had been created.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hannaford</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hannaford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on Persians being poor fighters ... during the Iraq-Iran war (1980-88), tens of thousands of Iranian men and boys, without being asked, armed themselves; equipped themselves, and transported themselves to the front to confront the Iraqis. One of them, a boy, is credited with inventing the suicide bomb as a military tactic when he took out an Iraqi tank.&lt;br/&gt;Poor fighters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on Persians being poor fighters &#8230; during the Iraq-Iran war (1980-88), tens of thousands of Iranian men and boys, without being asked, armed themselves; equipped themselves, and transported themselves to the front to confront the Iraqis. One of them, a boy, is credited with inventing the suicide bomb as a military tactic when he took out an Iraqi tank.<br />Poor fighters?</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The insanity of the hawks is never ending: Iran is such a big threat we have to bomb them now, because Iran is such a little threat that there will be no consequences. I wonder how often this has been said? From: Afghanistan will never be a quagmire in Dec. 2001 to Afghanistan will never be secure until it has 400.000 soldiers there; from the Iraqis will give us flowers and candies to we have to stay there or everybody will die; from Wolfowitz&#039;s war that will pay for itself to the war that is now estimated at 1.5 trillion dollars, including the costs of the injuries to those American soldiers that somehow tripped up during the cakewalk. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is like a bad three stooges film. Here&#039;s a suggestion: although Americans can hardly believe it, people don&#039;t like being bombed. Although it is just our way of saying hello. And in fact, those people just might include the Shi&#039;a majority in Iraq. They might not like Iraq&#039;s airspace used for the U.S. to bomb Iraq&#039;s neighbor. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Somehow, I&#039;m such a sucker that I believe the collective wisdom of the oil futures market over a man who has his assistant dig up Tallyrand quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insanity of the hawks is never ending: Iran is such a big threat we have to bomb them now, because Iran is such a little threat that there will be no consequences. I wonder how often this has been said? From: Afghanistan will never be a quagmire in Dec. 2001 to Afghanistan will never be secure until it has 400.000 soldiers there; from the Iraqis will give us flowers and candies to we have to stay there or everybody will die; from Wolfowitz&#8217;s war that will pay for itself to the war that is now estimated at 1.5 trillion dollars, including the costs of the injuries to those American soldiers that somehow tripped up during the cakewalk. </p>
<p>This is like a bad three stooges film. Here&#8217;s a suggestion: although Americans can hardly believe it, people don&#8217;t like being bombed. Although it is just our way of saying hello. And in fact, those people just might include the Shi&#8217;a majority in Iraq. They might not like Iraq&#8217;s airspace used for the U.S. to bomb Iraq&#8217;s neighbor. </p>
<p>Somehow, I&#8217;m such a sucker that I believe the collective wisdom of the oil futures market over a man who has his assistant dig up Tallyrand quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The critics are wrong. The Fed then did increase what it controlled, namely the monetary base, Money supply shrank anyhow because people didn&#039;t trust banks (with good reason, they were failing right and left) and hoarded cash.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yves the Rothbardian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The critics are wrong. The Fed then did increase what it controlled, namely the monetary base, Money supply shrank anyhow because people didn&#8217;t trust banks (with good reason, they were failing right and left) and hoarded cash.<br /></i></p>
<p>Yves the Rothbardian.</p>
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		<title>By: Peripheral Visionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peripheral Visionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Coupled with almost 20% inflation, it looks like Iran can ill-afford to shut-in oil production for very long (counted in days, maybe?).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Agreed.  They need the oil income, and the West needs the oil, so regardless of all the saber-rattling, it is highly likely that conflict will be avoided.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The big question is, what do we replace it with?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Excellent question.  I don&#039;t think anyone has the answer to it, but we had better start thinking fast, because unless someone puts something else forward, we could be looking at Smoot-Hawley II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Coupled with almost 20% inflation, it looks like Iran can ill-afford to shut-in oil production for very long (counted in days, maybe?).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Agreed.  They need the oil income, and the West needs the oil, so regardless of all the saber-rattling, it is highly likely that conflict will be avoided.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The big question is, what do we replace it with?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Excellent question.  I don&#8217;t think anyone has the answer to it, but we had better start thinking fast, because unless someone puts something else forward, we could be looking at Smoot-Hawley II.</p>
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		<title>By: mxq</title>
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		<dc:creator>mxq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Dizard&#039;s point: &quot;(iran) would not succeed in interfering with oil shipments&quot;...he&#039; probably right...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;According to the CIA guessb...er...factbook, &lt;a HREF=&quot;https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html#Econ&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oil provides 85% of Iran&#039;s government revenue&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Coupled with almost 20% inflation, it looks like Iran can ill-afford to shut-in oil production for very long (counted in days, maybe?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Dizard&#8217;s point: &#8220;(iran) would not succeed in interfering with oil shipments&#8221;&#8230;he&#8217; probably right&#8230;</p>
<p>According to the CIA guessb&#8230;er&#8230;factbook, <a HREF="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html#Econ" REL="nofollow">oil provides 85% of Iran&#8217;s government revenue</a>. </p>
<p>Coupled with almost 20% inflation, it looks like Iran can ill-afford to shut-in oil production for very long (counted in days, maybe?).</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Critics of Fed&#039;s actions in the early 1930s claim the Fed allowed money supply to fall, turning a slump into a depression.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The critics are wrong. The Fed then did increase what it controlled, namely the monetary base, Money supply shrank anyhow because people didn&#039;t trust banks (with good reason, they were failing right and left) and hoarded cash.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The modern analogue would be a dramatic fall in the velocity of money, which is not impossible, particularly given how consumers voluntarily and involuntarily will probably be using a ton less credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Critics of Fed&#8217;s actions in the early 1930s claim the Fed allowed money supply to fall, turning a slump into a depression.</p>
<p>The critics are wrong. The Fed then did increase what it controlled, namely the monetary base, Money supply shrank anyhow because people didn&#8217;t trust banks (with good reason, they were failing right and left) and hoarded cash.</p>
<p>The modern analogue would be a dramatic fall in the velocity of money, which is not impossible, particularly given how consumers voluntarily and involuntarily will probably be using a ton less credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny - that depends on the Fed.  Bernanke has all but said that he&#039;ll stop at nothing and has suggested that they can provide infinite &quot;liquidity.&quot;  With a few keystrokes, they can more than make up for the current and imminent credit destruction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know whether they will do that - they&#039;re probably hoping that by restoring confidence they won&#039;t have to, but the odds are greater that they will than that they won&#039;t.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they do, hyperinflation is indeed a threat.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Steven Randy Waldman at Interfluidity had several excellent posts on the subject months ago, even before the Bear Stearns bailout.  It was remarkably prescient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny &#8211; that depends on the Fed.  Bernanke has all but said that he&#8217;ll stop at nothing and has suggested that they can provide infinite &#8220;liquidity.&#8221;  With a few keystrokes, they can more than make up for the current and imminent credit destruction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether they will do that &#8211; they&#8217;re probably hoping that by restoring confidence they won&#8217;t have to, but the odds are greater that they will than that they won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If they do, hyperinflation is indeed a threat.</p>
<p>Steven Randy Waldman at Interfluidity had several excellent posts on the subject months ago, even before the Bear Stearns bailout.  It was remarkably prescient.</p>
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