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	<title>Comments on: EU Pondering Restricting Sales of Securitized Debt (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/eu-pondering-restricting-sales-of.html#comment-11799</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, CreditSights has a report up on it as well. If you ask them, they&#039;ll probably let you reproduce some of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, CreditSights has a report up on it as well. If you ask them, they&#8217;ll probably let you reproduce some of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/eu-pondering-restricting-sales-of.html#comment-11798</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be pettily competitive, but I&#039;d like to point out that EuroWeek broke this story two weeks ago.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The devil is really in the detail. The most important being that it doesn&#039;t just cover securitisations, but any &quot;credit risk transfer product&quot;. This explicitly includes credit derivatives and syndication. The impact of the proposal goes much, much further than &quot;complicated securitsations&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The second important thing to consider is that it doesn&#039;t just require the originator/arranger/servicer (as relevant) to hold 10% of the total exposure. It requires the originator/arranger/servicer to hold 10% of each tranche it wants to sell to a bank. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The third is that there is nothing in here to stop banks from buying subprime debt per se. If a bank with a large balance sheet is active in the non-conforming sector (like HBOS, say) they could probably to retain the required 10%. Of course, big banks like that would probably prefer to fund those mortgages on balance sheet anyway, given the spreads on non-conforming RMBS. And specialist lenders without big balance sheets behind them will find things very difficult. This applies to other, prime sectors as well - conduit CMBS being the most obvious example. This market is dead for the foreseeable future anyway, given the condition of banks&#039; balance sheets, but the proposal almost guarantees that it won&#039;t come back.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, this rule would have made almost no difference to the IKB situation - IKB held almost all of its subprime assets through an off-balance conduit and an SIV, which wouldn&#039;t have fallen under the provisions of the directive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be pettily competitive, but I&#8217;d like to point out that EuroWeek broke this story two weeks ago.</p>
<p>The devil is really in the detail. The most important being that it doesn&#8217;t just cover securitisations, but any &#8220;credit risk transfer product&#8221;. This explicitly includes credit derivatives and syndication. The impact of the proposal goes much, much further than &#8220;complicated securitsations&#8221;.</p>
<p>The second important thing to consider is that it doesn&#8217;t just require the originator/arranger/servicer (as relevant) to hold 10% of the total exposure. It requires the originator/arranger/servicer to hold 10% of each tranche it wants to sell to a bank. </p>
<p>The third is that there is nothing in here to stop banks from buying subprime debt per se. If a bank with a large balance sheet is active in the non-conforming sector (like HBOS, say) they could probably to retain the required 10%. Of course, big banks like that would probably prefer to fund those mortgages on balance sheet anyway, given the spreads on non-conforming RMBS. And specialist lenders without big balance sheets behind them will find things very difficult. This applies to other, prime sectors as well &#8211; conduit CMBS being the most obvious example. This market is dead for the foreseeable future anyway, given the condition of banks&#8217; balance sheets, but the proposal almost guarantees that it won&#8217;t come back.</p>
<p>Finally, this rule would have made almost no difference to the IKB situation &#8211; IKB held almost all of its subprime assets through an off-balance conduit and an SIV, which wouldn&#8217;t have fallen under the provisions of the directive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/eu-pondering-restricting-sales-of.html#comment-11773</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a translation error in the Eurointelligence snippet. They write of a proposed restriction on what European Banks can sell.  In actuality, the FTD article is about a proposed restriction on what European Banks can buy (&#039;kaufen&#039;); i.e. only securitizations in which the seller keeps 10%.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This makes it an effective rule regardless of what non-European governments decide to do about the securitization market, even if they decide not to act.  The result would be that European Banks could no longer buy nonconforming securities from anywhere in the world, leading to some protection of European Banks from such toxic waste as repackaged US subprime debt or whatever the future will bring.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact, the article emphasizes the bailout of banks like IKB at (German) taxpayers&#039; expense because of their extensive investments in US subprime debt.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A second FTD article calls the proposal clever, which seems to be a reasonable assessment.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In sum: (European) Banks would probably be less risky if they could only buy complicated securitizations where the selling bank kept 10% on the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a translation error in the Eurointelligence snippet. They write of a proposed restriction on what European Banks can sell.  In actuality, the FTD article is about a proposed restriction on what European Banks can buy (&#8217;kaufen&#8217;); i.e. only securitizations in which the seller keeps 10%.   </p>
<p>This makes it an effective rule regardless of what non-European governments decide to do about the securitization market, even if they decide not to act.  The result would be that European Banks could no longer buy nonconforming securities from anywhere in the world, leading to some protection of European Banks from such toxic waste as repackaged US subprime debt or whatever the future will bring.  </p>
<p>In fact, the article emphasizes the bailout of banks like IKB at (German) taxpayers&#8217; expense because of their extensive investments in US subprime debt.</p>
<p>A second FTD article calls the proposal clever, which seems to be a reasonable assessment.  </p>
<p>In sum: (European) Banks would probably be less risky if they could only buy complicated securitizations where the selling bank kept 10% on the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, that was pretty much only Citi and Merrlll, and most saw it as a sign of bad management. You don&#039;t choose to retain a big chunk of an underwriting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now some deals were structured so that the packager kept the equity, but that was more than a bit of optics. They took so much in fees off the top that the equity could be and turned out to have been worth zero and they still did very well. At least until their trading inventory plummeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, that was pretty much only Citi and Merrlll, and most saw it as a sign of bad management. You don&#8217;t choose to retain a big chunk of an underwriting.</p>
<p>Now some deals were structured so that the packager kept the equity, but that was more than a bit of optics. They took so much in fees off the top that the equity could be and turned out to have been worth zero and they still did very well. At least until their trading inventory plummeted.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lindmark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Lindmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong here but didn&#039;t we find out in the last round that the banks kept a lot of the securitized debt they told us they sold.  I don&#039;t know if it was 10% but it seemed to be a good sized chunk.  Remember, they were all OK because they laid off the risk but then it turned out they were just kidding us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong here but didn&#8217;t we find out in the last round that the banks kept a lot of the securitized debt they told us they sold.  I don&#8217;t know if it was 10% but it seemed to be a good sized chunk.  Remember, they were all OK because they laid off the risk but then it turned out they were just kidding us.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like bob-in-ma I took it to mean that if Fannie or Freddie want to issue Mortgage-backed securities, even Morgan Stanley, they would need to hold on to 10% of the issue. If they won&#039;t hold their own issues why should anyone else, at least in Europe. I thought the Tier One Capital requirement was kind of interesting too, not off-balance sheet and secured. Big change if that is what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like bob-in-ma I took it to mean that if Fannie or Freddie want to issue Mortgage-backed securities, even Morgan Stanley, they would need to hold on to 10% of the issue. If they won&#8217;t hold their own issues why should anyone else, at least in Europe. I thought the Tier One Capital requirement was kind of interesting too, not off-balance sheet and secured. Big change if that is what is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_in_MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob_in_MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t this kind of ipso facto restrict the buying of this debt, since almost no issue probably currently qualifies and hence is &quot;illegal?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t this kind of ipso facto restrict the buying of this debt, since almost no issue probably currently qualifies and hence is &#8220;illegal?&#8221;</p>
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