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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/global-economy-at-point-of-maximum.html#comment-11802</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Annd we&#039;lll ALLLLL go DOWWNNN to-GGETHERRRRR . . .&quot;  A good old &#039;Stupid Nam War&#039; tune one doesn&#039;t hear on the radio anymore.  . . . Hum a few bars, and we&#039;ll soon fake it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Annd we&#8217;lll ALLLLL go DOWWNNN to-GGETHERRRRR . . .&#8221;  A good old &#8216;Stupid Nam War&#8217; tune one doesn&#8217;t hear on the radio anymore.  . . . Hum a few bars, and we&#8217;ll soon fake it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/global-economy-at-point-of-maximum.html#comment-11756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;@Andy said &quot;Bit of an overreaction I think. Things are unstable now, but as I wrote recently, it is always darkest before dawn. Things should recover by year end. We are already seeing signs of that.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many people make predictions Andy, on the net, in magazines/newspapers, on TV.  Many, including the pundits on TV, have been wrong to date.  So tell us WHY we should put any stock in your prediction above?  Are you just shilling or do you have some actual logic to back up your pronouncement with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>@Andy said &#8220;Bit of an overreaction I think. Things are unstable now, but as I wrote recently, it is always darkest before dawn. Things should recover by year end. We are already seeing signs of that.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Many people make predictions Andy, on the net, in magazines/newspapers, on TV.  Many, including the pundits on TV, have been wrong to date.  So tell us WHY we should put any stock in your prediction above?  Are you just shilling or do you have some actual logic to back up your pronouncement with?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit of an overreaction I think. Things are unstable now, but as I wrote recently, it is always darkest before dawn. Things should recover by year end. We are already seeing signs of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit of an overreaction I think. Things are unstable now, but as I wrote recently, it is always darkest before dawn. Things should recover by year end. We are already seeing signs of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 1:02 PM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you read what AEP said, it was that US debt had &quot;lifted&quot; to the level of AA- Italy. It would have been nice if he had said what ratio he was using. I&#039;m assuming debt to GDP. It seemed clear that he was looking at the US&#039;s real debt level, now that the government is moving towards standing behind Fannie and Freddie while trying to pretend that any support will be limited, on a comparative basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon of 1:02 PM,</p>
<p>If you read what AEP said, it was that US debt had &#8220;lifted&#8221; to the level of AA- Italy. It would have been nice if he had said what ratio he was using. I&#8217;m assuming debt to GDP. It seemed clear that he was looking at the US&#8217;s real debt level, now that the government is moving towards standing behind Fannie and Freddie while trying to pretend that any support will be limited, on a comparative basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the support for the statement that US debt has been downgraded to AA-, or is this just reckless hyperbole?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the support for the statement that US debt has been downgraded to AA-, or is this just reckless hyperbole?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/global-economy-at-point-of-maximum.html#comment-11735</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And more of that capital will be parceled out by lightly regulated hedge funds and private equity firms, for better or worse, as the balance of power on Wall Street shifts.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I seem to recall Yves sharing a factoid from a year or so ago that indicated less than 20% of capital was provided by banks and other financial institutions within the Fed&#039;s orbit.  That is, more than 80% was beyond the reach of either the Fed or other government regulation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, if we&#039;re headed now to even more -- as per BW article -- then, we need to ask, what relevance does the Fed actually retain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And more of that capital will be parceled out by lightly regulated hedge funds and private equity firms, for better or worse, as the balance of power on Wall Street shifts.&#8221;</p>
<p>I seem to recall Yves sharing a factoid from a year or so ago that indicated less than 20% of capital was provided by banks and other financial institutions within the Fed&#8217;s orbit.  That is, more than 80% was beyond the reach of either the Fed or other government regulation.</p>
<p>So, if we&#8217;re headed now to even more &#8212; as per BW article &#8212; then, we need to ask, what relevance does the Fed actually retain?</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Banks will be smaller and fewer.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually isn&#039;t &#039;larger and fewer&#039; more likely at this point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Banks will be smaller and fewer.</i></p>
<p>Actually isn&#8217;t &#8216;larger and fewer&#8217; more likely at this point?</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the doomsayers -- and I&#039;m not saying they&#039;re right -- you might find &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.creditbubblestocks.com/2008/07/you-know-saying-celebrities-always-die.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post with its graph of bank failures during previous rough patches in the economy&lt;/a&gt; to be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the doomsayers &#8212; and I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re right &#8212; you might find <a HREF="http://www.creditbubblestocks.com/2008/07/you-know-saying-celebrities-always-die.html" REL="nofollow">this post with its graph of bank failures during previous rough patches in the economy</a> to be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/global-economy-at-point-of-maximum.html#comment-11719</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good companion story from Businessweek&lt;br/&gt;=============================&lt;br/&gt;How Bad Will It Get on Wall Street?&lt;br/&gt;As the credit crisis grinds on, the prospects for a quick recovery darken&lt;br/&gt;by David Henry and Matthew Goldstein&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It has been a year since the global credit markets first seized up, and four months since the dismantling of Bear Stearns. Yet bad things keep happening, from the failure of IndyMac and the stock routs of Lehman Brothers (LEH) and others to the market&#039;s collective yawn at the Treasury Dept.&#039;s plan to bolster mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE). Once again, the optimists who thought the crisis was over have been proven wrong. &quot;People underestimated how bad things were last summer,&quot; says Frank Partnoy, a former Wall Street derivatives trader turned professor at the University of San Diego Law School.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Did they ever. July&#039;s rat-a-tat-tat of dismal news suggests that the scope of the credit crunch is much broader than most people thought. Traders, investors, bankers, and economists are waking up to the possibility that Wall Street&#039;s recovery from the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression could grind on for years. And they&#039;re realizing that while the debacle was of Wall Street&#039;s making, its aftermath will weigh on banks, other companies, and consumers alike.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One thing is for sure: The new normal won&#039;t be as fun as the recent past. Banks will be smaller and fewer. Capital will be harder to get for some consumers and companies. And more of that capital will be parceled out by lightly regulated hedge funds and private equity firms, for better or worse, as the balance of power on Wall Street shifts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why hasn&#039;t the healing begun? The answer lies in the mechanics of leverage, or borrowed money, which banks not only provide to customers but also use themselves. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Full article:&lt;br/&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_30/b4093023467572.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good companion story from Businessweek<br />=============================<br />How Bad Will It Get on Wall Street?<br />As the credit crisis grinds on, the prospects for a quick recovery darken<br />by David Henry and Matthew Goldstein</p>
<p>It has been a year since the global credit markets first seized up, and four months since the dismantling of Bear Stearns. Yet bad things keep happening, from the failure of IndyMac and the stock routs of Lehman Brothers (LEH) and others to the market&#8217;s collective yawn at the Treasury Dept.&#8217;s plan to bolster mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE). Once again, the optimists who thought the crisis was over have been proven wrong. &#8220;People underestimated how bad things were last summer,&#8221; says Frank Partnoy, a former Wall Street derivatives trader turned professor at the University of San Diego Law School.</p>
<p>Did they ever. July&#8217;s rat-a-tat-tat of dismal news suggests that the scope of the credit crunch is much broader than most people thought. Traders, investors, bankers, and economists are waking up to the possibility that Wall Street&#8217;s recovery from the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression could grind on for years. And they&#8217;re realizing that while the debacle was of Wall Street&#8217;s making, its aftermath will weigh on banks, other companies, and consumers alike.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure: The new normal won&#8217;t be as fun as the recent past. Banks will be smaller and fewer. Capital will be harder to get for some consumers and companies. And more of that capital will be parceled out by lightly regulated hedge funds and private equity firms, for better or worse, as the balance of power on Wall Street shifts.</p>
<p>Why hasn&#8217;t the healing begun? The answer lies in the mechanics of leverage, or borrowed money, which banks not only provide to customers but also use themselves. </p>
<p>Full article:<br /><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_30/b4093023467572.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_30/b4093023467572.htm</a></p>
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