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	<title>Comments on: Kenneth Rogoff: We Need a Recession (Well, at Least a Slowdown)</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes they have their ears covered and are chanting, &quot;I&#039;m not listening, I&#039;m not listening, I&#039;m not listening.....&quot; Waaahhh!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, </p>
<p>Yes they have their ears covered and are chanting, &#8220;I&#8217;m not listening, I&#8217;m not listening, I&#8217;m not listening&#8230;..&#8221; Waaahhh!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A perfectly well thought out piece, but rest assured no one is listening. My guess is this global mess is going to be around for a very longtime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A perfectly well thought out piece, but rest assured no one is listening. My guess is this global mess is going to be around for a very longtime</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recessions are not allowed, debt is unimportant, regulation unimportant, and the economy will grow and reward people even if we have to have a war that is unfunded and under-funded; we need more wars!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recessions are not allowed, debt is unimportant, regulation unimportant, and the economy will grow and reward people even if we have to have a war that is unfunded and under-funded; we need more wars!!</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krugman goes in circle&#039;s here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;But that’s an argument for breaking up Bretton Woods II; it’s not an argument for tighter Fed policy.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;breaking bretton woods II would have the asame effect (i.e. higher rates) as what Rogoff is saying, just said differently. Once the system of pegging breaks the implicit subsidy it provides the US on the funding side goees away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman goes in circle&#8217;s here.</p>
<p>&#8220;But that’s an argument for breaking up Bretton Woods II; it’s not an argument for tighter Fed policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>breaking bretton woods II would have the asame effect (i.e. higher rates) as what Rogoff is saying, just said differently. Once the system of pegging breaks the implicit subsidy it provides the US on the funding side goees away.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krugman takes sharp aim at these Rogoff comments. Yves, I think your post would be even more interesting with the Krugman rejoinder as an update. &lt;br/&gt;http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/the-rogoff-doctrine/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems to me that Rogoff is implying that the onus of global rebalancing needs to fall on the USA in the form of higher interest rates. Heaven forbid the dollar peggers should abandon their peg. I think we need low interest rates, and that does not imply we keep our bloated financial sector: let it shrink.  I am I confess a tad suspicious of the conservative bent Rogoff is bringing into these areas, as it seems to be correlated to a desire to punish &amp; cleanse after market excesses. That is not the lesson we learned from the Great Depression. Interested in other views. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here are the Krugman comments:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ken Rogoff is one of the world’s best macroeconomists, so I take whatever he says seriously. But — you know that’s the kind of statement that is followed by a “but” — I’m having a hard time understanding his demands for a world slowdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ken tells us that&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &quot;The huge spike in global commodity price inflation is prima facie evidence that the global economy is still growing too fast.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And then he calls for&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &quot;a couple of years of sub-trend growth to rebalance commodity supply and demand at trend price levels&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Um, why? Basically, the world is employing rapidly growing amounts of labor and capital, but faces limited supplies of oil and other resources. Naturally enough, the relative prices of those resources have risen — which is the way markets are supposed to work. Since when does economic analysis say that the way to deal with limited supplies of one resource is to reduce employment of other resources, so that the relative price of the limited resource returns to “trend”?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Presumably there’s some implicit argument in the background about why a sharp rise in the relative price of oil is more damaging than leaving labor and capital underemployed. But that argument isn’t there in Ken’s recent pieces. Model, please?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree that&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &quot;Dollar bloc countries have slavishly mimicked expansionary US monetary policy&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and that’s a real issue: the Fed is pursuing very loose policy to deal with a US financial crisis, and that’s inflationary in countries that are pegged to the dollar without facing our problems. But that’s an argument for breaking up Bretton Woods II; it’s not an argument for tighter Fed policy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since this is coming from Ken Rogoff, I assume that there’s some deeper analysis here. But I can’t infer it from the articles I’ve read. Please, sir, can I have some more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman takes sharp aim at these Rogoff comments. Yves, I think your post would be even more interesting with the Krugman rejoinder as an update. <br /><a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/the-rogoff-doctrine/" rel="nofollow">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/the-rogoff-doctrine/</a></p>
<p>It seems to me that Rogoff is implying that the onus of global rebalancing needs to fall on the USA in the form of higher interest rates. Heaven forbid the dollar peggers should abandon their peg. I think we need low interest rates, and that does not imply we keep our bloated financial sector: let it shrink.  I am I confess a tad suspicious of the conservative bent Rogoff is bringing into these areas, as it seems to be correlated to a desire to punish &amp; cleanse after market excesses. That is not the lesson we learned from the Great Depression. Interested in other views. </p>
<p>Here are the Krugman comments:</p>
<p>Ken Rogoff is one of the world’s best macroeconomists, so I take whatever he says seriously. But — you know that’s the kind of statement that is followed by a “but” — I’m having a hard time understanding his demands for a world slowdown.</p>
<p>Ken tells us that</p>
<p>    &quot;The huge spike in global commodity price inflation is prima facie evidence that the global economy is still growing too fast.&quot;</p>
<p>And then he calls for</p>
<p>    &quot;a couple of years of sub-trend growth to rebalance commodity supply and demand at trend price levels&quot;</p>
<p>Um, why? Basically, the world is employing rapidly growing amounts of labor and capital, but faces limited supplies of oil and other resources. Naturally enough, the relative prices of those resources have risen — which is the way markets are supposed to work. Since when does economic analysis say that the way to deal with limited supplies of one resource is to reduce employment of other resources, so that the relative price of the limited resource returns to “trend”?</p>
<p>Presumably there’s some implicit argument in the background about why a sharp rise in the relative price of oil is more damaging than leaving labor and capital underemployed. But that argument isn’t there in Ken’s recent pieces. Model, please?</p>
<p>I agree that</p>
<p>    &quot;Dollar bloc countries have slavishly mimicked expansionary US monetary policy&quot;</p>
<p>and that’s a real issue: the Fed is pursuing very loose policy to deal with a US financial crisis, and that’s inflationary in countries that are pegged to the dollar without facing our problems. But that’s an argument for breaking up Bretton Woods II; it’s not an argument for tighter Fed policy.</p>
<p>Since this is coming from Ken Rogoff, I assume that there’s some deeper analysis here. But I can’t infer it from the articles I’ve read. Please, sir, can I have some more?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM...   the future cannot be presently allowed to happen!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM&#8230;   the future cannot be presently allowed to happen!!!</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sort of ironic that when you look at all the credit card issuers the small bsuiness portoflio is the space showing the greatest strain. Also look at the loans for banks and it toois showing strain. So it makes perfect sense that the segment would be expanding. Sureal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sort of ironic that when you look at all the credit card issuers the small bsuiness portoflio is the space showing the greatest strain. Also look at the loans for banks and it toois showing strain. So it makes perfect sense that the segment would be expanding. Sureal.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax, there was never a chance of a recession with Bush; that guy is smart and America is on track with great opportunities.  Never before has so much money been lost and then recovered.  Let the good times keep rolling!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Though July’s figures showed a slight employment gain, the ADP Report’s recent three-month average of negative 14,000 suggests that the weakened employment situation continues,” ADP said in a press release.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ADP employment report provides a snapshot of the private sector job market just ahead of the official payrolls report on Friday. ADP’s report doesn’t include government jobs, which in June rose by 29,000.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;According to the report, gains were driven by growth in the services sector, where jobs rose by 74,000 in July. Jobs in the goods-producing sector declined 65,000 and by 49,000 in the manufacturing sector.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ADP’s reading indicates that the labor market outlook remains weak even as overall economic growth has held up despite severe headwinds from the bursting of the housing market bubble and sharp rises in food and energy prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax, there was never a chance of a recession with Bush; that guy is smart and America is on track with great opportunities.  Never before has so much money been lost and then recovered.  Let the good times keep rolling!</p>
<p>“Though July’s figures showed a slight employment gain, the ADP Report’s recent three-month average of negative 14,000 suggests that the weakened employment situation continues,” ADP said in a press release.</p>
<p>The ADP employment report provides a snapshot of the private sector job market just ahead of the official payrolls report on Friday. ADP’s report doesn’t include government jobs, which in June rose by 29,000.</p>
<p>According to the report, gains were driven by growth in the services sector, where jobs rose by 74,000 in July. Jobs in the goods-producing sector declined 65,000 and by 49,000 in the manufacturing sector.</p>
<p>ADP’s reading indicates that the labor market outlook remains weak even as overall economic growth has held up despite severe headwinds from the bursting of the housing market bubble and sharp rises in food and energy prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So some central bankers are happy with inflationary growth as long as wages don&#039;t rise. Why is growth desirable if it lowers workers&#039; standard of living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So some central bankers are happy with inflationary growth as long as wages don&#8217;t rise. Why is growth desirable if it lowers workers&#8217; standard of living?</p>
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		<title>By: Peripheral Visionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peripheral Visionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agreed that the financial sector is far too large.  Its value add to society is in directing resources toward the most productive uses, but it doesn&#039;t need the enormous numbers of workers it now has to do that, particularly with computer automation taking over much of the back office.  Reduction in the size of the financial sector will be, for all of the nation outside of New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agreed that the financial sector is far too large.  Its value add to society is in directing resources toward the most productive uses, but it doesn&#8217;t need the enormous numbers of workers it now has to do that, particularly with computer automation taking over much of the back office.  Reduction in the size of the financial sector will be, for all of the nation outside of New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, a good thing.</p>
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