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	<title>Comments on: Thin Gruel in Paulson Statement re Fannie, Freddie; Fed Opens Discount Window</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT is reporting that the Administration wants to up the UST line of credit to the two institutions to $300 billion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The article also contains a quote from a FRE flack that adumbrates more problems down the road: ``It is important to note that our understanding with Treasury is that any agreement to purchase equity can only occur with the mutual agreement of both parties.&#039;&#039; Great: give us a line of low-cost UST credit, but remember our executives are compensated in stock options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT is reporting that the Administration wants to up the UST line of credit to the two institutions to $300 billion.</p>
<p>The article also contains a quote from a FRE flack that adumbrates more problems down the road: &#8220;It is important to note that our understanding with Treasury is that any agreement to purchase equity can only occur with the mutual agreement of both parties.&#8221; Great: give us a line of low-cost UST credit, but remember our executives are compensated in stock options.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Krugman says he is staking out a contrarian view: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14krugman.html?hp&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Contrary to what? Certainly not to his pals Bernanke or Paulson. Just as he did after the BSC fiasco, PK tells us we must hope that this intervention works. Since PK&#039;s voice is about as far left as the DC and Wall Street crowds will hear, it looks like there will be no dissent from the Treasury/Fed plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Krugman says he is staking out a contrarian view: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14krugman.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14krugman.html?hp</a></p>
<p>Contrary to what? Certainly not to his pals Bernanke or Paulson. Just as he did after the BSC fiasco, PK tells us we must hope that this intervention works. Since PK&#8217;s voice is about as far left as the DC and Wall Street crowds will hear, it looks like there will be no dissent from the Treasury/Fed plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, I should have been more clear. There is a rich (and pretty open) history of currency and interest rate intervention. It&#039;s the notion that there might be officially orchestrated or worse funded games-playing in equities which is troubling and more than a bit of a stretch. Since when is the level of equity markets (as opposed to rules about how they operate) a matter of public policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>Thanks, I should have been more clear. There is a rich (and pretty open) history of currency and interest rate intervention. It&#8217;s the notion that there might be officially orchestrated or worse funded games-playing in equities which is troubling and more than a bit of a stretch. Since when is the level of equity markets (as opposed to rules about how they operate) a matter of public policy?</p>
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		<title>By: ddt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone wants an illustration of what might have been going on in that chart,  here&#039;s a BBC documentary on the day that Soros and co. broke the support for the British Pound by overpowering the Bank of England&#039;s buying power.  (in the above chart, it would look like a sudden downside break through the support at 1252.5).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Bank of England wasn&#039;t quite so successful. &lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;This clip is from an excellent BBC documentary called &quot;The Mayfair Set&quot; by Adam Curtis. It shows live footage of trading floors during the crash of the pound and great commentary by George Soros (&quot;we had a very strong sense that we were on to the kill&quot;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yves, I know you&#039;re a big Adam Curtis fan.  IMO this is possibly his best work.  It is focused on the financial world: securitization, Milken, market fundamentalism, etc..  If you haven&#039;t already seen it, you must watch the whole series.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the black monday footage starts at 7:00  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5728529590304344977&amp;hl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone wants an illustration of what might have been going on in that chart,  here&#8217;s a BBC documentary on the day that Soros and co. broke the support for the British Pound by overpowering the Bank of England&#8217;s buying power.  (in the above chart, it would look like a sudden downside break through the support at 1252.5).</p>
<p>The Bank of England wasn&#8217;t quite so successful. </p>
<p>This clip is from an excellent BBC documentary called &#8220;The Mayfair Set&#8221; by Adam Curtis. It shows live footage of trading floors during the crash of the pound and great commentary by George Soros (&#8221;we had a very strong sense that we were on to the kill&#8221;)</p>
<p>Yves, I know you&#8217;re a big Adam Curtis fan.  IMO this is possibly his best work.  It is focused on the financial world: securitization, Milken, market fundamentalism, etc..  If you haven&#8217;t already seen it, you must watch the whole series.</p>
<p>the black monday footage starts at 7:00  </p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5728529590304344977&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5728529590304344977&#038;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The problem with the idea of PPT type operations is the lack of statutory authority for expenditures.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You may wish to look further into the Exchange Stabilization Fund - ESF.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.treas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, it has the stated charter that &quot;The ESF can be used to purchase or sell foreign currencies, to hold U.S. foreign exchange and Special Drawing Rights (SDR) assets, and to provide financing to foreign governments.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, under Robert Rubin the Treasury become more aggressive and preemptive in the definition of its prescribed activities, including the occasional dip in the equity markets, specifically but not limited to the SP futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problem with the idea of PPT type operations is the lack of statutory authority for expenditures.&#8221;</p>
<p>You may wish to look further into the Exchange Stabilization Fund &#8211; ESF.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.treas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/" rel="nofollow">http://www.treas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/</a></p>
<p>Yes, it has the stated charter that &#8220;The ESF can be used to purchase or sell foreign currencies, to hold U.S. foreign exchange and Special Drawing Rights (SDR) assets, and to provide financing to foreign governments.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, under Robert Rubin the Treasury become more aggressive and preemptive in the definition of its prescribed activities, including the occasional dip in the equity markets, specifically but not limited to the SP futures.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As a Non-American can I expect any time soon that you will pay me what you owe me.... NO.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Speaking as an American, honestly, that&#039;s probably a rational decision.  It&#039;s best for you and also best for us, forcing us towards some form of austerity and mild idiocy reduction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please give us 15 years, and we&#039;ll be happy to rejoin you and your world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As a Non-American can I expect any time soon that you will pay me what you owe me&#8230;. NO.</i></p>
<p>Speaking as an American, honestly, that&#8217;s probably a rational decision.  It&#8217;s best for you and also best for us, forcing us towards some form of austerity and mild idiocy reduction.</p>
<p>Please give us 15 years, and we&#8217;ll be happy to rejoin you and your world.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please share your views Francois for I feel uninformed.  Who could have profited from that floor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please share your views Francois for I feel uninformed.  Who could have profited from that floor?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I will make this REALLY SIMPLE for you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a Non-American can I expect any time soon that you will pay me what you owe me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll take that as a NO.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bye Bye AMERICA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK</p>
<p>I will make this REALLY SIMPLE for you.</p>
<p>As a Non-American can I expect any time soon that you will pay me what you owe me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a NO.</p>
<p>Bye Bye AMERICA</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is beyond nieve to think the Fred wasn&#039;t calling around to all the big 401K long only folks telling them to buy the bank convert prefered deals. Who in there right mind would buy that garbage at least at those prices. Every time you heard strategic long term investor bought the deal, folks that would be your 401K money. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Calculated risk reporting that the Fed is backing the FHLB debt as well..is there any news to this extent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is beyond nieve to think the Fred wasn&#8217;t calling around to all the big 401K long only folks telling them to buy the bank convert prefered deals. Who in there right mind would buy that garbage at least at those prices. Every time you heard strategic long term investor bought the deal, folks that would be your 401K money. </p>
<p>Calculated risk reporting that the Fed is backing the FHLB debt as well..is there any news to this extent.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By the way, the 22 January chart doesn&#039;t convince me of anything.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What would it take?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ask yourself how many players in the markets have the kind of firepower needed to basically seal a concrete floor under the S&amp;P when the action is very clearly downtrending FAST.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And most importantly, &lt;i&gt;cui bono?&lt;/i&gt; (who profits)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By the way, the 22 January chart doesn&#8217;t convince me of anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>What would it take?</p>
<p>Ask yourself how many players in the markets have the kind of firepower needed to basically seal a concrete floor under the S&#038;P when the action is very clearly downtrending FAST.</p>
<p>And most importantly, <i>cui bono?</i> (who profits)</p>
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