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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10459 Anonymous Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:15:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10459 Anonymous said... <br/>"Government is there to govern and improve life."<br/><br/>If you want the root of the problem, it's right there in anon's post, regarding China. The government is NOT there to improve life. The Chinese government has created a bubble of epic proportions over the last 10 years replete with massive malinvestment and corruption. This will in no way "improve life" for the average Chinese person 1-2 years from now.<br/><br/>July 2, 2008 8:53 PM<br/>--------------------------<br/><br/>Say whatever you want dude, but reality shows the opposite up to now. Well, we do not know what will happen in the future. That depends on our hard work. Anonymous said…
“Government is there to govern and improve life.”

If you want the root of the problem, it’s right there in anon’s post, regarding China. The government is NOT there to improve life. The Chinese government has created a bubble of epic proportions over the last 10 years replete with massive malinvestment and corruption. This will in no way “improve life” for the average Chinese person 1-2 years from now.

July 2, 2008 8:53 PM
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Say whatever you want dude, but reality shows the opposite up to now. Well, we do not know what will happen in the future. That depends on our hard work.

]]> By: Doc Holiday http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10458 Doc Holiday Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:11:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10458 A Big Howdy Yves,<br/><br/>This may interest you, but maybe not )(Bill Gross):<br/><br/> Dear President Obama:<br/>http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2008/IO+July+2008.htm<br/><br/>Dear President Obama:<br/><br/>You have inherited a mess. Your predecessor, fixated on emulating a former Republican icon from a far different economic era, chose to emphasize tax cuts for the rich and excessive consumption for all Americans..... A Big Howdy Yves,

This may interest you, but maybe not )(Bill Gross):

Dear President Obama:
http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2008/IO+July+2008.htm

Dear President Obama:

You have inherited a mess. Your predecessor, fixated on emulating a former Republican icon from a far different economic era, chose to emphasize tax cuts for the rich and excessive consumption for all Americans…..

]]> By: Independent Accountant http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10454 Independent Accountant Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:23:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10454 YS:<br/>About 25 years ago the WSJ had an article following the change in the Dow on a virtual minute-by-minute basis as Congress debated the Smoot-Hawley (SH) tariff. The SH tarriff disrupted world trade. This week it dawned on me what has brought the Chinese stock market down about 55% in the last eight months. In addition to exposing Austrian "malinvestments", today's SH tariff, high oil prices. Increases in transportation costs act like tariffs, the economic analysis is virtually identical. As transporation costs rise, the effect on export oriented economies like China will be greater than on other countries, like India. High oil prices are disrupting world trade patterns. The market sees more, faster than we usually do. YS:
About 25 years ago the WSJ had an article following the change in the Dow on a virtual minute-by-minute basis as Congress debated the Smoot-Hawley (SH) tariff. The SH tarriff disrupted world trade. This week it dawned on me what has brought the Chinese stock market down about 55% in the last eight months. In addition to exposing Austrian “malinvestments”, today’s SH tariff, high oil prices. Increases in transportation costs act like tariffs, the economic analysis is virtually identical. As transporation costs rise, the effect on export oriented economies like China will be greater than on other countries, like India. High oil prices are disrupting world trade patterns. The market sees more, faster than we usually do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10453 Anonymous Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:53:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10453 "Government is there to govern and improve life."<br/><br/>If you want the root of the problem, it's right there in anon's post, regarding China. The government is NOT there to improve life. The Chinese government has created a bubble of epic proportions over the last 10 years replete with massive malinvestment and corruption. This will in no way "improve life" for the average Chinese person 1-2 years from now. “Government is there to govern and improve life.”

If you want the root of the problem, it’s right there in anon’s post, regarding China. The government is NOT there to improve life. The Chinese government has created a bubble of epic proportions over the last 10 years replete with massive malinvestment and corruption. This will in no way “improve life” for the average Chinese person 1-2 years from now.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10445 Anonymous Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:25:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10445 Peripheral Visionary,<br/><br/>As a Chinese myself I can assure you that I spoke to more Chinese people than you did. What you said probably was true at the beginning of 2008, but now lots of things have changed. <br/><br/>People are pareparing for a difficult time now. By all means it is already there. I wonder why you still believe that the whole nation would have a high expectation on that game after the first 6 months in 2008. The people I spoke to, all ordinary people, almost all hoped that we should get over this game without fuss and focus on the day-to-day problem. <br/><br/>It is weird to me that you ask "what next"? Government is there to govern and improve life. People are busy dealing with their own everyday businesses. Nobody as I know of are living just for a 3 weeks game. After game, life will continue. There are tons of problems to be solved. <br/><br/>About China's economic competitive edge, I personally would like to see some of this edge losing since the migrant workers could finally get some benefits out of it. Peripheral Visionary,

As a Chinese myself I can assure you that I spoke to more Chinese people than you did. What you said probably was true at the beginning of 2008, but now lots of things have changed.

People are pareparing for a difficult time now. By all means it is already there. I wonder why you still believe that the whole nation would have a high expectation on that game after the first 6 months in 2008. The people I spoke to, all ordinary people, almost all hoped that we should get over this game without fuss and focus on the day-to-day problem.

It is weird to me that you ask “what next”? Government is there to govern and improve life. People are busy dealing with their own everyday businesses. Nobody as I know of are living just for a 3 weeks game. After game, life will continue. There are tons of problems to be solved.

About China’s economic competitive edge, I personally would like to see some of this edge losing since the migrant workers could finally get some benefits out of it.

]]> By: Vijay http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10443 Vijay Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:35:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10443 I'm glad you're getting some exposure to Austrian economics Yves! I’m glad you’re getting some exposure to Austrian economics Yves!

]]> By: Vijay http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10442 Vijay Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:34:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10442 Yves, I'm glad you're getting some exposure to Austrian economics! Yves, I’m glad you’re getting some exposure to Austrian economics!

]]> By: Peripheral Visionary http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10441 Peripheral Visionary Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:25:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10441 Anonymous, to the Chinese the Olympics is more than "just a sport event." In speaking to a family member who lives in China and is in the thick of the Olympic frenzy, the Olympics has come to be an opportunity for the Chinese to address a deeply-held sense of insecurity regarding their global image. The Chinese have long felt that they have not received the attention and respect they are due, and the Olympics is seen as their opportunity to change that.<br/><br/>The Olympics, for the Chinese, is HUGE. They have spent phenomenal amounts of money and time in preparing for it, but more than that, have literally shifted policies and even laws to adjust for it. The entire nation is waiting breathlessly for this one event.<br/><br/>And just as their policies and focus have shifted in preparation for the Olympics, they will shift as the Olympics departs. The question, under discussion here, is what next? No one really knows, but the steady loss of their economic competitive edge, and the spectacular fall of their stock market, does not bode well. Anonymous, to the Chinese the Olympics is more than “just a sport event.” In speaking to a family member who lives in China and is in the thick of the Olympic frenzy, the Olympics has come to be an opportunity for the Chinese to address a deeply-held sense of insecurity regarding their global image. The Chinese have long felt that they have not received the attention and respect they are due, and the Olympics is seen as their opportunity to change that.

The Olympics, for the Chinese, is HUGE. They have spent phenomenal amounts of money and time in preparing for it, but more than that, have literally shifted policies and even laws to adjust for it. The entire nation is waiting breathlessly for this one event.

And just as their policies and focus have shifted in preparation for the Olympics, they will shift as the Olympics departs. The question, under discussion here, is what next? No one really knows, but the steady loss of their economic competitive edge, and the spectacular fall of their stock market, does not bode well.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics.html#comment-10439 Anonymous Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:06:00 +0000 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/07/will-chinas-growth-falter-post-olympics/#comment-10439 This pre-Olympics/post-Olympics argument is naive at best. The stock market already falled more than 50%. The government already hiked the oil/energy price by 18%. A large number of companies have already moved and shut down. The tourism has already been hurt. <br/><br/>So why do so many people obsess with this Olympics stuff? It is not a magical term that would change policies and realities overnight. It is just a sport event for God sake. There are plenty of businesses to take care of regardless the game. You got to be really foolish to assume that Beijing does not know this. This pre-Olympics/post-Olympics argument is naive at best. The stock market already falled more than 50%. The government already hiked the oil/energy price by 18%. A large number of companies have already moved and shut down. The tourism has already been hurt.

So why do so many people obsess with this Olympics stuff? It is not a magical term that would change policies and realities overnight. It is just a sport event for God sake. There are plenty of businesses to take care of regardless the game. You got to be really foolish to assume that Beijing does not know this.

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