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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/alternative-stores-of-value-for-new.html#comment-12401</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassandra did not equivocate. She spoke the truth. Apollo fixed it so no one believed her. Let&#039;s just suppose &#039;nomen est omen&#039; once again. The more things change, the more they...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassandra did not equivocate. She spoke the truth. Apollo fixed it so no one believed her. Let&#8217;s just suppose &#8216;nomen est omen&#8217; once again. The more things change, the more they&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the box with tomatoes: I cannot recommend Brandywine which has a bland taste. It should be eaten, if eaten at all, before it is ripe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the box with tomatoes: I cannot recommend Brandywine which has a bland taste. It should be eaten, if eaten at all, before it is ripe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/alternative-stores-of-value-for-new.html#comment-12396</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice title, but what an ignorant rant.  How &#039;bout this part &quot;GMO crops that require pesticide.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;ve got that one totally backasswards.  Typical GMO plants are modified to be tolerant of broad-spectrum herbicides, LOL.  It saves an incredible amount of energy and labor (no more tilling to kill weeds).  What a meathead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice title, but what an ignorant rant.  How &#8217;bout this part &#8220;GMO crops that require pesticide.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got that one totally backasswards.  Typical GMO plants are modified to be tolerant of broad-spectrum herbicides, LOL.  It saves an incredible amount of energy and labor (no more tilling to kill weeds).  What a meathead.</p>
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		<title>By: &#34;Cassandra&#34;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#34;Cassandra&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, no one can fill Yves shoes, so I dare not even try. Yves ability to flag and critically distill important (and technically complex) news and events is second-to-none. I am certain Yves other guests will provide plenty of more meaty and cogent analysis.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider me a &quot;court jester&quot; summoned to entertain. Given my role as knave, I can use financial satire to speak frankly stirring debate about things that might cause visceral reactions in one camp or another.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;RJ - as for Timber (by way of FD  - I am certainly no  expert) I simply like inherently. As with everything, there is a price that makes it more or less attractive. I underdstand (from cursory reports) it has been &quot;rich&quot;. But precisely these deals and last prints make the existing portfolios of PCL and RYN look cheap and undervalued by comparison (or the recent deals unsustainably expensive. Swenson has supposedly pared holdings which says something. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nonetheless, while admittedly not that esoteric, it combines the current yield and hard asset backing with low leverage which while not exempt from correction, has a better risk-reward profile (or less bad) under either extreme inflation or extreme deflation than most other asset classes resemble more binary risk/reward profiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, no one can fill Yves shoes, so I dare not even try. Yves ability to flag and critically distill important (and technically complex) news and events is second-to-none. I am certain Yves other guests will provide plenty of more meaty and cogent analysis.</p>
<p>Consider me a &#8220;court jester&#8221; summoned to entertain. Given my role as knave, I can use financial satire to speak frankly stirring debate about things that might cause visceral reactions in one camp or another.</p>
<p>RJ &#8211; as for Timber (by way of FD  &#8211; I am certainly no  expert) I simply like inherently. As with everything, there is a price that makes it more or less attractive. I underdstand (from cursory reports) it has been &#8220;rich&#8221;. But precisely these deals and last prints make the existing portfolios of PCL and RYN look cheap and undervalued by comparison (or the recent deals unsustainably expensive. Swenson has supposedly pared holdings which says something. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, while admittedly not that esoteric, it combines the current yield and hard asset backing with low leverage which while not exempt from correction, has a better risk-reward profile (or less bad) under either extreme inflation or extreme deflation than most other asset classes resemble more binary risk/reward profiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cassandra,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a very good post.  But it&#039;s a &quot;Cassandra Does Tokyo&quot; post (which I also read and appreciate) rather than a Naked Capitalism post...  Do guest bloggers have an obligation to try to imitate the house style, or should they come and do their own thing?  Yours in whiny anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cassandra,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very good post.  But it&#8217;s a &#8220;Cassandra Does Tokyo&#8221; post (which I also read and appreciate) rather than a Naked Capitalism post&#8230;  Do guest bloggers have an obligation to try to imitate the house style, or should they come and do their own thing?  Yours in whiny anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon @ 10:40,&lt;br/&gt;Yes, I know all of that, and so does the market. Just b/c timber does not need to be cut down and can be harvested does not preclude the asset from becoming overpriced and thus reducing the inherent advantages it has vs. other assets. &lt;br/&gt;RJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon @ 10:40,<br />Yes, I know all of that, and so does the market. Just b/c timber does not need to be cut down and can be harvested does not preclude the asset from becoming overpriced and thus reducing the inherent advantages it has vs. other assets. <br />RJ</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 9:58,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The attraction of timber as an asset is simply that it grows for free.  Gold or oil sitting in the ground does not multiply or increase on its own; agricultural crops like corn need constant seeding, fertilizing, irrigation, insecticides and herbicides every year.  But you just leave a stand of trees to grow on its own: all they need is rain and sunshine, which nature provides for free.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Timber is thus a commodity with a built-in interest rate.  Other commodities can do no better over the long term than match the rate of inflation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even better is that the value of a big tree is much more than simply the extra volume of wood, because bigger trees can be used for things (telephone poles, beams, etc) that smaller thin trees can&#039;t.  So the rate of increase is better than linear.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.indexuniverse.com/sections/research/11/4283-timber-introduction-to-the-asset-class.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; makes some of these same points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon of 9:58,</p>
<p>The attraction of timber as an asset is simply that it grows for free.  Gold or oil sitting in the ground does not multiply or increase on its own; agricultural crops like corn need constant seeding, fertilizing, irrigation, insecticides and herbicides every year.  But you just leave a stand of trees to grow on its own: all they need is rain and sunshine, which nature provides for free.</p>
<p>Timber is thus a commodity with a built-in interest rate.  Other commodities can do no better over the long term than match the rate of inflation.</p>
<p>Even better is that the value of a big tree is much more than simply the extra volume of wood, because bigger trees can be used for things (telephone poles, beams, etc) that smaller thin trees can&#8217;t.  So the rate of increase is better than linear.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.indexuniverse.com/sections/research/11/4283-timber-introduction-to-the-asset-class.html" REL="nofollow">This article</a> makes some of these same points.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cass,&lt;br/&gt;Don’t you think the long term benefits of timber aren’t already baked into the price?  I’ve seen reports that valuation gains are adding 85% of total returns and that tracts are trading for 40x EBITDA.  It’s almost as if timber has become the stealth ‘it’ asset for institutional capital. &lt;br/&gt;RJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cass,<br />Don’t you think the long term benefits of timber aren’t already baked into the price?  I’ve seen reports that valuation gains are adding 85% of total returns and that tracts are trading for 40x EBITDA.  It’s almost as if timber has become the stealth ‘it’ asset for institutional capital. <br />RJ</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yves&#039; reader base seems to have a lot of fuddy duddies who want cynical economic/finance analysis of daily finance/economic items in the news.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You mean this isn&#039;t hard-hitting finance analysis?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Damn, I better go replace the Calder I just took.  Anyone got a crane I can borrow for a few hours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />Yves&#8217; reader base seems to have a lot of fuddy duddies who want cynical economic/finance analysis of daily finance/economic items in the news.</i></p>
<p>You mean this isn&#8217;t hard-hitting finance analysis?</p>
<p>Damn, I better go replace the Calder I just took.  Anyone got a crane I can borrow for a few hours?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;d like Cassandra to add a little style to this here blog, have her field song lyrics/poetry submissions that are pertinent to the absurdity that is today&#039;s economic/financial environment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then, post Cassandra&#039;s Choice of the Week on Friday with the explicit instruction that your readers become &quot;listeners&quot;.  The reader/listeners should push that &quot;Listen Now&quot; button at the top and listen to the voice over read the chosen song lyric or poem.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d get a kick out of that cyber-computer voice over dude channeling Dire Straits &quot;Industrial Disease&quot;....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An excerpt:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks&lt;br/&gt;Innocence is injured experience just talks&lt;br/&gt;Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees&lt;br/&gt;That these are classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze&lt;br/&gt;On itv and bbc they talk about the curse&lt;br/&gt;Philosophy is useless theology is worse&lt;br/&gt;History boils over theres an economics freeze&lt;br/&gt;Sociologists invent words that mean industrial disease&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Doctor parkinson declared Im not surprised to see you here&lt;br/&gt;Youve got smokers cough from smoking, brewers droop from drinking beer&lt;br/&gt;I dont know how you came to get the betty davis knees&lt;br/&gt;But worst of all young man youve got industrial disease&lt;br/&gt;He wrote me a prescription he said you are depressed&lt;br/&gt;But Im glad you came to see me to get this off your chest&lt;br/&gt;Come back and see me later - next patient please&lt;br/&gt;Send in another victim of industrial disease&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I go down to speakers corner Im thunderstruck&lt;br/&gt;They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks&lt;br/&gt;Two men say theyre jesus one of them must be wrong&lt;br/&gt;Theres a protest singer singing a protest song - he says&lt;br/&gt;they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees&lt;br/&gt;They wanna have a war to keep their factories&lt;br/&gt;They wanna have a war to stop us buying japanese&lt;br/&gt;They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease&lt;br/&gt;Theyre pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind&lt;br/&gt;They wanna sap your energy incarcerate your mind&lt;br/&gt;They give you rule brittania, gassy beer, page three&lt;br/&gt;Two weeks in espana and sunday striptease&lt;br/&gt;Meanwhile the first jesus says Id cure it soon&lt;br/&gt;Abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons&lt;br/&gt;The other ones on a hunger strike hes dying by degrees&lt;br/&gt;How come jesus gets industrial disease</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;d like Cassandra to add a little style to this here blog, have her field song lyrics/poetry submissions that are pertinent to the absurdity that is today&#8217;s economic/financial environment.</p>
<p>Then, post Cassandra&#8217;s Choice of the Week on Friday with the explicit instruction that your readers become &#8220;listeners&#8221;.  The reader/listeners should push that &#8220;Listen Now&#8221; button at the top and listen to the voice over read the chosen song lyric or poem.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d get a kick out of that cyber-computer voice over dude channeling Dire Straits &#8220;Industrial Disease&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>An excerpt:</p>
<p>The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks<br />Innocence is injured experience just talks<br />Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees<br />That these are classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze<br />On itv and bbc they talk about the curse<br />Philosophy is useless theology is worse<br />History boils over theres an economics freeze<br />Sociologists invent words that mean industrial disease</p>
<p>Doctor parkinson declared Im not surprised to see you here<br />Youve got smokers cough from smoking, brewers droop from drinking beer<br />I dont know how you came to get the betty davis knees<br />But worst of all young man youve got industrial disease<br />He wrote me a prescription he said you are depressed<br />But Im glad you came to see me to get this off your chest<br />Come back and see me later &#8211; next patient please<br />Send in another victim of industrial disease</p>
<p>I go down to speakers corner Im thunderstruck<br />They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks<br />Two men say theyre jesus one of them must be wrong<br />Theres a protest singer singing a protest song &#8211; he says<br />they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees<br />They wanna have a war to keep their factories<br />They wanna have a war to stop us buying japanese<br />They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease<br />Theyre pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind<br />They wanna sap your energy incarcerate your mind<br />They give you rule brittania, gassy beer, page three<br />Two weeks in espana and sunday striptease<br />Meanwhile the first jesus says Id cure it soon<br />Abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons<br />The other ones on a hunger strike hes dying by degrees<br />How come jesus gets industrial disease</p>
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