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	<title>Comments on: ECB: Banks Need to Wean Themselves of Liquidity Support</title>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/ecb-banks-need-to-wean-themselves-of.html#comment-13521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This &quot;soft bail-out&quot; is largely underwritten by German and North European taxpayers, though it is occurring in a surreptitious way. &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is somewhat misleading. German banks are in fact the largest users of ECB liquidity facilities, for historical reasons, both in absolute terms and as a proportion of banking system assets. That&#039;s not to diminish the scale of the Spanish bank problem - their usage of central bank facilities (especially with ABS as collateral) has rocketed over the last year.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anonymous, I don&#039;t think anybody (in Europe anyway) said covered bonds have it &quot;all under control&quot;. They are a useful alternative funding source, used successfully by many European banks since the crisis, but they&#039;re not a panacea. And nobody wants to buy Spanish paper at prices Spanish banks are willing to pay while the ECB&#039;s doors are open. Even in other jurisdictions like the UK, large banks are finding other funding sources, like unsecured debt and even in a few cases securitisation, more cost effective at the moment. If it comes to an absolute funding need that has to be met however, it&#039;s very useful to have covered bonds available. And in jurisdictions whose housing markets are in better shape, the funding costs are more attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This &#8220;soft bail-out&#8221; is largely underwritten by German and North European taxpayers, though it is occurring in a surreptitious way. &#8220;</p>
<p>This is somewhat misleading. German banks are in fact the largest users of ECB liquidity facilities, for historical reasons, both in absolute terms and as a proportion of banking system assets. That&#8217;s not to diminish the scale of the Spanish bank problem &#8211; their usage of central bank facilities (especially with ABS as collateral) has rocketed over the last year.</p>
<p>Anonymous, I don&#8217;t think anybody (in Europe anyway) said covered bonds have it &#8220;all under control&#8221;. They are a useful alternative funding source, used successfully by many European banks since the crisis, but they&#8217;re not a panacea. And nobody wants to buy Spanish paper at prices Spanish banks are willing to pay while the ECB&#8217;s doors are open. Even in other jurisdictions like the UK, large banks are finding other funding sources, like unsecured debt and even in a few cases securitisation, more cost effective at the moment. If it comes to an absolute funding need that has to be met however, it&#8217;s very useful to have covered bonds available. And in jurisdictions whose housing markets are in better shape, the funding costs are more attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lists are here : https://mfi-assets.ecb.int/dla_EA.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lists are here : <a href="https://mfi-assets.ecb.int/dla_EA.htm" rel="nofollow">https://mfi-assets.ecb.int/dla_EA.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ECB knows perfectly well that no Spanish cajas can be allowed to go bankrupt. They are indistiguishable from the governments of the regions in which they mainly operate, and are the financers and facilitaters of regional economic and social policy - and EU economic and social policy is carried out on the regional level. Bankruptcy would be the de facto insolvency of government.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The real task of the ECB is to jawbone these entities into utilizing the considerable resources at their disposal to shore up balance sheets. Among these would be their investments in publicly listed companies thought to be of importance to the regions in which they operate - effectively backed by the state with all the political complications and fair value issues that accompany that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ECB knows perfectly well that no Spanish cajas can be allowed to go bankrupt. They are indistiguishable from the governments of the regions in which they mainly operate, and are the financers and facilitaters of regional economic and social policy &#8211; and EU economic and social policy is carried out on the regional level. Bankruptcy would be the de facto insolvency of government.</p>
<p>The real task of the ECB is to jawbone these entities into utilizing the considerable resources at their disposal to shore up balance sheets. Among these would be their investments in publicly listed companies thought to be of importance to the regions in which they operate &#8211; effectively backed by the state with all the political complications and fair value issues that accompany that.</p>
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		<title>By: jest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is all talk. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i don&#039;t see them doing anything drastic about this; and if they do, it will be in name only.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;if trichet &amp; crew have a volcker moment and screw over the banks (and i hope trichet does) interest rates &amp; spreads would spike in the euro zone. but it&#039;s clear that&#039;s not what the ECB wants right now. they&#039;re trying to solve the crisis, not exacerbate it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;so we&#039;ll just get what we always get: useless jawboning, until we get a crisis.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and the banks know this, and will keep sucking the teat until it&#039;s dry. the desperate ones may increase the shenanigans now b/c they might as well enjoy it before it&#039;s gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is all talk. </p>
<p>i don&#39;t see them doing anything drastic about this; and if they do, it will be in name only.</p>
<p>if trichet &amp; crew have a volcker moment and screw over the banks (and i hope trichet does) interest rates &amp; spreads would spike in the euro zone. but it&#39;s clear that&#39;s not what the ECB wants right now. they&#39;re trying to solve the crisis, not exacerbate it.</p>
<p>so we&#39;ll just get what we always get: useless jawboning, until we get a crisis.</p>
<p>and the banks know this, and will keep sucking the teat until it&#39;s dry. the desperate ones may increase the shenanigans now b/c they might as well enjoy it before it&#39;s gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bank failures are happening at the margin now. Bank Trelleborg in Denmark has gone under and the next one is in the process.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;https://www.roskildebank.dk/com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bank failures are happening at the margin now. Bank Trelleborg in Denmark has gone under and the next one is in the process.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.roskildebank.dk/com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.roskildebank.dk/com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought covered bonds had this all under control?  Remember the big push a month ago, and the sales hype?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The easiest place to buy a covered bond is in Europe, particularly in Germany, where the bonds are called Pfandbriefe. Similar bonds can be traced to the 1700s in Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought covered bonds had this all under control?  Remember the big push a month ago, and the sales hype?</p>
<p>The easiest place to buy a covered bond is in Europe, particularly in Germany, where the bonds are called Pfandbriefe. Similar bonds can be traced to the 1700s in Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  It was one thing for Northern Rock to be bailed out by the Bank of England - they are after all still a national central bank.  Since Great Britian is not part of the Eurozone, much like here in the US, if the taxpayers got screwed, at least it was by our own. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Problem for the Eurozone will be that if there is a Northern Rock or Bear Stearns situation that affects mostly one country, say Spain, the ECB bailout will have come from the stodgy old burghers.  They are going to be very unhappy - in fact it will be interesting to see if these and a few other contraditions inherent in a multinational currency and central bank signls the end of the Euro.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Peruser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  It was one thing for Northern Rock to be bailed out by the Bank of England &#8211; they are after all still a national central bank.  Since Great Britian is not part of the Eurozone, much like here in the US, if the taxpayers got screwed, at least it was by our own. </p>
<p>Problem for the Eurozone will be that if there is a Northern Rock or Bear Stearns situation that affects mostly one country, say Spain, the ECB bailout will have come from the stodgy old burghers.  They are going to be very unhappy &#8211; in fact it will be interesting to see if these and a few other contraditions inherent in a multinational currency and central bank signls the end of the Euro.</p>
<p>-Peruser</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the smell of central bank arbitrage in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the smell of central bank arbitrage in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeek, fixed the mistake (some stray notes to myself), thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeek, fixed the mistake (some stray notes to myself), thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: tyaresun</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyaresun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, your post seems to have been cut-off at the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, your post seems to have been cut-off at the end.</p>
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