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	<title>Comments on: EIA Revises Down June Oil Demand by &quot;Stunning&quot; Amount</title>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/eia-revises-down-june-oil-demand-by.html#comment-13689</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me reduce the whole oil argument to simplicity. We, in the US, no longer control the supply side; on the demand side we may have a small influence but no more than that. Do I need to expand the argument any further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me reduce the whole oil argument to simplicity. We, in the US, no longer control the supply side; on the demand side we may have a small influence but no more than that. Do I need to expand the argument any further?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wintermute,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; what interfuel substitutions are you allowing for over what periods. other variables might be relations between primary, wholesale, retail, then as well, efficiency changes in cap goods -- sure elasticities are not linear but neither are they particularly predictive and if we&#039;re talking prices of oils, we&#039;re talking prices which are only indirectly related to physical supply/demand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;anon 4:42,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;latest monthly at tod indicates that production has been, if not &#039;surging&#039;, definitely rising. saudi production rates are not exactly known but if i had been in their shoes i&#039;d not have increased earlier and would be cutting by now. looks like the same old lags between production/consumption which have given us gluts before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wintermute,</p>
<p> what interfuel substitutions are you allowing for over what periods. other variables might be relations between primary, wholesale, retail, then as well, efficiency changes in cap goods &#8212; sure elasticities are not linear but neither are they particularly predictive and if we&#8217;re talking prices of oils, we&#8217;re talking prices which are only indirectly related to physical supply/demand.</p>
<p>anon 4:42,</p>
<p>latest monthly at tod indicates that production has been, if not &#8217;surging&#8217;, definitely rising. saudi production rates are not exactly known but if i had been in their shoes i&#8217;d not have increased earlier and would be cutting by now. looks like the same old lags between production/consumption which have given us gluts before.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now, let&#039;s ban plastic bags, plastic single use water bottles and all that wrap used for products and knock that consumption down even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now, let&#8217;s ban plastic bags, plastic single use water bottles and all that wrap used for products and knock that consumption down even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hooptie rollin&#039;, tailpipe draggin&#039;&lt;br/&gt;Heat don&#039;t work an&#039; my girl keeps naggin&#039;&lt;br/&gt;Six-nine Buick, deuce keeps rollin&#039;&lt;br/&gt;One hubcap &#039;cause three got stolen&lt;br/&gt;Bumper shook loose, chrome keeps scrapin&#039;&lt;br/&gt;Mis-matched tires, and my white walls flakin&#039;&lt;br/&gt;Hit mickey-d&#039;s, Maharaji starts to bug&lt;br/&gt;He ate a quarter-pounder, threw the pickles on my rug&lt;br/&gt;Runnin&#039;, movin&#039; tabs expired&lt;br/&gt;Girlies tryin&#039; to dis &#039;n say my car looks tired&lt;br/&gt;Hit my brakes, out slid skittles&lt;br/&gt;Tinted back window with a bubble in the middle&lt;br/&gt;Who&#039;s car is it? Posse won&#039;t say&lt;br/&gt;We all play it off when you look our way&lt;br/&gt;Rollin&#039; four deep, tires smoke up the block&lt;br/&gt;Gotta roll this bucket, &#039;cause my Benz is in the shop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hooptie rollin&#8217;, tailpipe draggin&#8217;<br />Heat don&#8217;t work an&#8217; my girl keeps naggin&#8217;<br />Six-nine Buick, deuce keeps rollin&#8217;<br />One hubcap &#8217;cause three got stolen<br />Bumper shook loose, chrome keeps scrapin&#8217;<br />Mis-matched tires, and my white walls flakin&#8217;<br />Hit mickey-d&#8217;s, Maharaji starts to bug<br />He ate a quarter-pounder, threw the pickles on my rug<br />Runnin&#8217;, movin&#8217; tabs expired<br />Girlies tryin&#8217; to dis &#8216;n say my car looks tired<br />Hit my brakes, out slid skittles<br />Tinted back window with a bubble in the middle<br />Who&#8217;s car is it? Posse won&#8217;t say<br />We all play it off when you look our way<br />Rollin&#8217; four deep, tires smoke up the block<br />Gotta roll this bucket, &#8217;cause my Benz is in the shop</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first question is why the EIA had to do a stunning revision to its earlier estimates.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where did the inaccurate data come from that informed its earlier numbers?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Who fudged what?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And, why?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To those who predict a dampening effect on this reduction trend due to structural factors:&lt;br/&gt;there are yet additional iterations of each of the financial, credit, economic factors in the economy to play out.&lt;br/&gt;Each of these iterations will produce another downward plateau in demand.&lt;br/&gt;Remember the US&#039; energy input to economic output largesse.&lt;br/&gt;We have a long ways to go.&lt;br/&gt;Oil Price. It&#039;s a coming down, it&#039;s a coming down, it&#039;s a coming down, it&#039;s a coming DOWN.&lt;br/&gt;Seventy Bucks and holding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first question is why the EIA had to do a stunning revision to its earlier estimates.</p>
<p>Where did the inaccurate data come from that informed its earlier numbers?</p>
<p>Who fudged what?</p>
<p>And, why?</p>
<p>To those who predict a dampening effect on this reduction trend due to structural factors:<br />there are yet additional iterations of each of the financial, credit, economic factors in the economy to play out.<br />Each of these iterations will produce another downward plateau in demand.<br />Remember the US&#8217; energy input to economic output largesse.<br />We have a long ways to go.<br />Oil Price. It&#8217;s a coming down, it&#8217;s a coming down, it&#8217;s a coming down, it&#8217;s a coming DOWN.<br />Seventy Bucks and holding.</p>
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		<title>By: wintermute</title>
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		<dc:creator>wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil demand is not some amorphous quantity which can just scale back in linear fashion. There is &quot;froth&quot; (elastic) demand which can be destructed easily. SUV usage, unnecessary journeys. There is also a base-load of inelastic demand - heating oil in northern states, aircraft etc. &lt;br/&gt;Demand desatruction will look amazing when it first happens - but then it wil lhit a wall and each percentage of reduced oil usage wil lbe painful to the public and the economy. Oil prices could still be near $100 when demand is mostly inelastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil demand is not some amorphous quantity which can just scale back in linear fashion. There is &#8220;froth&#8221; (elastic) demand which can be destructed easily. SUV usage, unnecessary journeys. There is also a base-load of inelastic demand &#8211; heating oil in northern states, aircraft etc. <br />Demand desatruction will look amazing when it first happens &#8211; but then it wil lhit a wall and each percentage of reduced oil usage wil lbe painful to the public and the economy. Oil prices could still be near $100 when demand is mostly inelastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lower oil prices amid a global economic slowdown. Big deal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If it takes a global meltdown to bring down oil prices, we better hope the world stays weak until alternative energies comes online in commercially available quantities.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Saudi&#039;s have a few projects coming online in the next couple years. This should add a sustainable 1 million barrels per day. The can go higher, but it would lead to faster field depletion rates. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, OPEC may decide to cut production at existing fields to support prices. So whatever Americans have sacrificed by consuming less may be negated by OPEC action.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So the world must get much weaker, consume less, and stay in a depression-like condition to delay the onset of &quot;peak oil&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sad that we are getting excited about why oil prices are falling. Not due to surging supplies, rather falling demand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not good for global growth, global stock markets, and global employment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No surprise here that U.S treasuries get a constant bid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lower oil prices amid a global economic slowdown. Big deal.</p>
<p>If it takes a global meltdown to bring down oil prices, we better hope the world stays weak until alternative energies comes online in commercially available quantities.</p>
<p>The Saudi&#8217;s have a few projects coming online in the next couple years. This should add a sustainable 1 million barrels per day. The can go higher, but it would lead to faster field depletion rates. </p>
<p>Also, OPEC may decide to cut production at existing fields to support prices. So whatever Americans have sacrificed by consuming less may be negated by OPEC action.</p>
<p>So the world must get much weaker, consume less, and stay in a depression-like condition to delay the onset of &#8220;peak oil&#8221;</p>
<p>Sad that we are getting excited about why oil prices are falling. Not due to surging supplies, rather falling demand.</p>
<p>Not good for global growth, global stock markets, and global employment.</p>
<p>No surprise here that U.S treasuries get a constant bid.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demand destruction is here to stay.  As others upthread observed, when people stop going to the Olive Garden, you know times are tough.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Everyone I know has slowed spending.  Even the ones with stable jobs and a good income.  &quot;Frugal is the new Cool&quot; is real, and it&#039;s here to stay.  Dave Ramsey is becoming popular with people outside the churches, who simply want to be free of the debt yoke we&#039;ve all been hauling around for two decades.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;ll be a couple of years of consumer retrenching, for sure.  It&#039;s going to be harder going for foreign countries who have depended upon selling tons of crap here to drive their economies because people are, and will continue, to buy less of that crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demand destruction is here to stay.  As others upthread observed, when people stop going to the Olive Garden, you know times are tough.</p>
<p>Everyone I know has slowed spending.  Even the ones with stable jobs and a good income.  &#8220;Frugal is the new Cool&#8221; is real, and it&#8217;s here to stay.  Dave Ramsey is becoming popular with people outside the churches, who simply want to be free of the debt yoke we&#8217;ve all been hauling around for two decades.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be a couple of years of consumer retrenching, for sure.  It&#8217;s going to be harder going for foreign countries who have depended upon selling tons of crap here to drive their economies because people are, and will continue, to buy less of that crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would expect much, much better from you. Guy Caruso is a joke, some sort of a bureaucratic clown. He has no idea what he is talking about and expects higher private investment to save the day(really, that his game plan). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y13dNHFqeLM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>I would expect much, much better from you. Guy Caruso is a joke, some sort of a bureaucratic clown. He has no idea what he is talking about and expects higher private investment to save the day(really, that his game plan). </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y13dNHFqeLM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y13dNHFqeLM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon 9:58 PM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Appears that the U.S. has been exporting increasing quantities of crude and distillates, which may effect commercial inventories?:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Chart-&lt;br/&gt;http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist_chart/MTTEXUS1m.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon 9:58 PM,</p>
<p>Appears that the U.S. has been exporting increasing quantities of crude and distillates, which may effect commercial inventories?:</p>
<p>Chart-<br /><a href="http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist_chart/MTTEXUS1m.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist_chart/MTTEXUS1m.jpg</a></p>
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