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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for  your  comments as  far as  the  Pimco big  wigs and their  comments  on CNBC I don&#039;t  believe a  word  they  say  they are only  promoting there  own position  or  shorts  they are to  big  to be subjective</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for  your  comments as  far as  the  Pimco big  wigs and their  comments  on CNBC I don&#8217;t  believe a  word  they  say  they are only  promoting there  own position  or  shorts  they are to  big  to be subjective</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on about Pimco manipulation and pandering.  Pimco is obviously a hedge fund in trouble and they love to talk up Fannie and Freddie!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They also like us to forget the reality which you point out:  &quot;...required to show fair value balance sheets as part of their financial statements. Accompanying these balance sheets, they put out multiple pages explaining why the investor should pay no attention to them, that they don’t paint a true picture of Fannie and Freddie’s financial health. I’d venture to say that the two institutions would prefer investors not look at those balance sheets for another reason—they show both to be insolvent, or so close as to make the thought of investing in them the diciest of propositions.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Pimco need to go under, along with Fannie and freddie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on about Pimco manipulation and pandering.  Pimco is obviously a hedge fund in trouble and they love to talk up Fannie and Freddie!</p>
<p>They also like us to forget the reality which you point out:  &#8220;&#8230;required to show fair value balance sheets as part of their financial statements. Accompanying these balance sheets, they put out multiple pages explaining why the investor should pay no attention to them, that they don’t paint a true picture of Fannie and Freddie’s financial health. I’d venture to say that the two institutions would prefer investors not look at those balance sheets for another reason—they show both to be insolvent, or so close as to make the thought of investing in them the diciest of propositions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pimco need to go under, along with Fannie and freddie!</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/ruminations-on-moral-hazard.html#comment-12574</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyperinflation could be an outcome but massive deflation will follow. The question seems on of timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyperinflation could be an outcome but massive deflation will follow. The question seems on of timing.</p>
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		<title>By: rc whalen</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/ruminations-on-moral-hazard.html#comment-12572</link>
		<dc:creator>rc whalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to the Bloomberg story about BNY/Mellon suing BAC behalf of one group of CFC bond holders:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=munievents&amp;sid=asReKtFUPtLo&amp;refer=&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The other creditors cannot remain indifferent to this filing.  My guess is an involuntary bankruptcy, as we&#039;ve predicted for some time.  No other way to sort the creditors.  But the kicker is that BAC still appears to have the $110bn asset bank unit escounced inside the Countrywide vehicle, so a filing means BAC loses the bank to an FDIC receivership.  Or maybe that&#039;s why Ken Lewis has not moved the bank yet.  More soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s the link to the Bloomberg story about BNY/Mellon suing BAC behalf of one group of CFC bond holders:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=munievents&amp;sid=asReKtFUPtLo&amp;refer=" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=munievents&amp;sid=asReKtFUPtLo&amp;refer=</a></p>
<p>The other creditors cannot remain indifferent to this filing.  My guess is an involuntary bankruptcy, as we&#39;ve predicted for some time.  No other way to sort the creditors.  But the kicker is that BAC still appears to have the $110bn asset bank unit escounced inside the Countrywide vehicle, so a filing means BAC loses the bank to an FDIC receivership.  Or maybe that&#39;s why Ken Lewis has not moved the bank yet.  More soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Frew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous of 8:06 AM.  If the truth about the fishing has to come out, it would be that I got hits casting, but no fish in the boat.  Had to resort to worms, a humiliating defeat, to get lunch.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Murph and RCW--absolutely right, as Chris has pointed out very nicely at Institutional Risk Analytics.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;MA--No issue whatsoever with your point about who&#039;s footing the bill.  Hyperinflationary spirals, sadly, and terrifyingly, do not seem outside the realm of possible outcomes here.  Whether we get to that brutal end game or not, the question of where the pressures get vented is a really interesting and important one.  The dollar would certainly seem to be candidate number one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BR--  A slight difference in the two driving experiences might include the fact that you were whistling down the road through some rather amazing little fogbanks.  One does not leverage up and go long into the teeth of a bear market, at least if one does not want to end up wretching at the sight of one&#039;s pnl, into the glovebox or elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous of 8:06 AM.  If the truth about the fishing has to come out, it would be that I got hits casting, but no fish in the boat.  Had to resort to worms, a humiliating defeat, to get lunch.</p>
<p>Murph and RCW&#8211;absolutely right, as Chris has pointed out very nicely at Institutional Risk Analytics.</p>
<p>MA&#8211;No issue whatsoever with your point about who&#8217;s footing the bill.  Hyperinflationary spirals, sadly, and terrifyingly, do not seem outside the realm of possible outcomes here.  Whether we get to that brutal end game or not, the question of where the pressures get vented is a really interesting and important one.  The dollar would certainly seem to be candidate number one.</p>
<p>BR&#8211;  A slight difference in the two driving experiences might include the fact that you were whistling down the road through some rather amazing little fogbanks.  One does not leverage up and go long into the teeth of a bear market, at least if one does not want to end up wretching at the sight of one&#8217;s pnl, into the glovebox or elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was driving Scott&#039;s A6, so any pukage would have resulted only in an opening of windows and no stopping. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ironically, Scott admitted that I drove no faster than he did on the way up, but one&#039;s perspective changes as soon as you move to the Passenger seat.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Besides, this was an automatic, not a proper manual shift, and contained none of the tweaks that make the S or RS version so much fun to drive. And besides, I barely had the hammer down. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For the record, it is not at all true that Scott screams like a 10 year old girl. I estimate 12-14 years old is more accurate . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was driving Scott&#8217;s A6, so any pukage would have resulted only in an opening of windows and no stopping. </p>
<p>Ironically, Scott admitted that I drove no faster than he did on the way up, but one&#8217;s perspective changes as soon as you move to the Passenger seat.  </p>
<p>Besides, this was an automatic, not a proper manual shift, and contained none of the tweaks that make the S or RS version so much fun to drive. And besides, I barely had the hammer down. </p>
<p>For the record, it is not at all true that Scott screams like a 10 year old girl. I estimate 12-14 years old is more accurate . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written. BR would probably have slowed down if you&#039;d puked in his glove box.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My only other comment regards the assumption that the American taxpayer will foot the bill for propping these securities up. The American taxpayer has no way (and no intention) of paying his own personal debt - much less that of the Federal Government. In the end (and no one knows when that will be), a hyperinflationary spiral might be the only way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written. BR would probably have slowed down if you&#8217;d puked in his glove box.</p>
<p>My only other comment regards the assumption that the American taxpayer will foot the bill for propping these securities up. The American taxpayer has no way (and no intention) of paying his own personal debt &#8211; much less that of the Federal Government. In the end (and no one knows when that will be), a hyperinflationary spiral might be the only way out.</p>
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		<title>By: rc whalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>rc whalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: BAC/Countrywide, note that BNY/Mellon acting as trustee for one of the bon issues just sued BAC  The fun begins.  Read our earlier posts on the Kobayashi Maru for background on why the CFC bond holders are not bankruptcy remote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: BAC/Countrywide, note that BNY/Mellon acting as trustee for one of the bon issues just sued BAC  The fun begins.  Read our earlier posts on the Kobayashi Maru for background on why the CFC bond holders are not bankruptcy remote.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott: Nice piece, great points. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is interesting to note that most agency/govy spreads are somewhere around the center of their historic range.  In 1998 ten year FNMA debentures traded at +120 to tens, the middle of last year spreads moved out to +66 and currently they trade roughly +65. At their 2006 narrows they were trading +30ish. Not a lot of opportunity there.  MBS on the other hand are trading very close to their historic wides.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was glad to see that you described your fishing as casting.  If you had described it as catching, I would have had to call you on it.  ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott: Nice piece, great points. </p>
<p>It is interesting to note that most agency/govy spreads are somewhere around the center of their historic range.  In 1998 ten year FNMA debentures traded at +120 to tens, the middle of last year spreads moved out to +66 and currently they trade roughly +65. At their 2006 narrows they were trading +30ish. Not a lot of opportunity there.  MBS on the other hand are trading very close to their historic wides.  </p>
<p>I was glad to see that you described your fishing as casting.  If you had described it as catching, I would have had to call you on it.  <img src='http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Murph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott great post, thank you...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point - WaMu debt holders should be wary of the warm embrace of BAC - as Countrywide debt-holders are nervously learning... !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott great post, thank you&#8230;</p>
<p>One point &#8211; WaMu debt holders should be wary of the warm embrace of BAC &#8211; as Countrywide debt-holders are nervously learning&#8230; !</p>
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