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	<title>Comments on: Central Banks Anticipate &quot;Mother of Year-Ends&quot; &#8216;Liquidity Crunch</title>
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		<title>By: Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/central-banks-anticipate-mother-of-year.html#comment-14816</link>
		<dc:creator>Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with anonymous 5:49 said, but certainly not with macndub 5:27 said, as that was clearly quite foolish.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anonymous 1:03 had a few good points, though....but a few foolish ones as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with anonymous 5:49 said, but certainly not with macndub 5:27 said, as that was clearly quite foolish.</p>
<p>Anonymous 1:03 had a few good points, though&#8230;.but a few foolish ones as well.</p>
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		<title>By: macndub</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/central-banks-anticipate-mother-of-year.html#comment-14806</link>
		<dc:creator>macndub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What anonymous 1.03 pm said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What anonymous 1.03 pm said.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/central-banks-anticipate-mother-of-year.html#comment-14784</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am truly growing tired of the constant comments regarding the &quot;government&quot; rendering something worthless.  No, the financial injection was already worthless.  The &quot;government&quot; just slapped everyone down and told them what they should have already known -- that the company in question was insolvent and the investments of equity holders were in fact worth zero.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have been having this debate regarding FNM, FRE, WM and LEH almost all year.  They are insolvent already and have been for quite a while.  Their debts far exceed the value their assets, regardless of the &quot;capital&quot; on their books.  The only problem is that these companies were able to creatively use current accounting rules to show a balance sheet that technically reads as solvent.  They are not solvent in any meaningful sense, only on their balance sheet. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Investors in these companies own what is in reality a call option that will pay off if a miracle happens and the firms become solvent again.  The &quot;government&quot; didn&#039;t even take away the call option with FNM and FRE, although they did give the common (but not the preferred) a haircut on their call options.  Seriously, what did the &quot;government&quot; do to preferred shareholders in FNM and FRE that wouldn&#039;t have happened if any other major lender had set up a subordinated $100B credit line and in return asked for suspension of dividends prior to repayment of the credit line, common warrants, a change in management, and board seats?  Nothing.  Would any major lender have asked for less?  Not unless they were incredibly stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am truly growing tired of the constant comments regarding the &#8220;government&#8221; rendering something worthless.  No, the financial injection was already worthless.  The &#8220;government&#8221; just slapped everyone down and told them what they should have already known &#8212; that the company in question was insolvent and the investments of equity holders were in fact worth zero.</p>
<p>I have been having this debate regarding FNM, FRE, WM and LEH almost all year.  They are insolvent already and have been for quite a while.  Their debts far exceed the value their assets, regardless of the &#8220;capital&#8221; on their books.  The only problem is that these companies were able to creatively use current accounting rules to show a balance sheet that technically reads as solvent.  They are not solvent in any meaningful sense, only on their balance sheet. </p>
<p>Investors in these companies own what is in reality a call option that will pay off if a miracle happens and the firms become solvent again.  The &#8220;government&#8221; didn&#8217;t even take away the call option with FNM and FRE, although they did give the common (but not the preferred) a haircut on their call options.  Seriously, what did the &#8220;government&#8221; do to preferred shareholders in FNM and FRE that wouldn&#8217;t have happened if any other major lender had set up a subordinated $100B credit line and in return asked for suspension of dividends prior to repayment of the credit line, common warrants, a change in management, and board seats?  Nothing.  Would any major lender have asked for less?  Not unless they were incredibly stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Viv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to compliment tanta at calculated risk as well ;-) as well as Yves. the old boys club is on the opposite end of this mess, messrs bernanke, bush, paulson and the chief boys club leader greenspan. They&#039;re doing their best to take the free out of the free market to keep all the bubbles, delusions and the image of prosperity to continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to compliment tanta at calculated risk as well <img src='http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  as well as Yves. the old boys club is on the opposite end of this mess, messrs bernanke, bush, paulson and the chief boys club leader greenspan. They&#8217;re doing their best to take the free out of the free market to keep all the bubbles, delusions and the image of prosperity to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/central-banks-anticipate-mother-of-year.html#comment-14778</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:  The dollar index has bee running in overbought territory since early last week. The last time the index saw the 14-day RSI this high was back in 97, wt which point it began to drop, giving up 7% between Aug and Nov, according to Bloomberg data.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;  Not good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:  The dollar index has bee running in overbought territory since early last week. The last time the index saw the 14-day RSI this high was back in 97, wt which point it began to drop, giving up 7% between Aug and Nov, according to Bloomberg data.</p>
<p>&gt;  Not good!</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, you and Meredith Whitney put the good old boy&#039;s club to shame.  I am highly, highly impressed with your analysis - it&#039;s the best thing out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, you and Meredith Whitney put the good old boy&#8217;s club to shame.  I am highly, highly impressed with your analysis &#8211; it&#8217;s the best thing out there.</p>
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