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		<title>By: Jozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest that you run again and again this freakishly visionary video from months ago. &lt;br/&gt;Bird and Fortune doing their trademark &quot;John Parr(ulson)&quot; on finance:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwRFoxgEcHc&lt;br/&gt;If you want get best part skip to 4:20 after start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that you run again and again this freakishly visionary video from months ago. <br />Bird and Fortune doing their trademark &#8220;John Parr(ulson)&#8221; on finance:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwRFoxgEcHc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwRFoxgEcHc</a><br />If you want get best part skip to 4:20 after start.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/dark-bailout.html#comment-18508</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry to beat upon sick horse, but...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is being placed in the news:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Another possible change to the bill would modify &quot;mark to market&quot; accounting rules. Such rules require banks and other financial institutions to adjust the value of their assets to reflect current market prices, even if they plan to hold the assets for years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;&gt;  Nonetheless, in the most recent unpopular Bailout Proposal (which failed to pass yesterday) IMHO, Paulson is essentially saying this (mark-to-market) is how he will value troubled assets; it looks to me, like Paulson will be able to use mark-to-market, but corporations not in his circle, will have to find other ways to value illiquid securities.  Any input from out there in space?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is indirectly from the plan:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; § 502(5)(E)(E) In estimating net present values, the discount rate shall be the average interest rate on marketable Treasury securities of similar maturity to the cash flows of the direct loan or loan guarantee for which the estimate is being made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sorry to beat upon sick horse, but&#8230;</p>
<p>This is being placed in the news:</p>
<p> Another possible change to the bill would modify &quot;mark to market&quot; accounting rules. Such rules require banks and other financial institutions to adjust the value of their assets to reflect current market prices, even if they plan to hold the assets for years.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;  Nonetheless, in the most recent unpopular Bailout Proposal (which failed to pass yesterday) IMHO, Paulson is essentially saying this (mark-to-market) is how he will value troubled assets; it looks to me, like Paulson will be able to use mark-to-market, but corporations not in his circle, will have to find other ways to value illiquid securities.  Any input from out there in space?</p>
<p>This is indirectly from the plan:</p>
<p> § 502(5)(E)(E) In estimating net present values, the discount rate shall be the average interest rate on marketable Treasury securities of similar maturity to the cash flows of the direct loan or loan guarantee for which the estimate is being made.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/dark-bailout.html#comment-18507</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please contact your Congressional representatives and tell them to stop this bailout now before it&#039;s too late.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Email Congress:  (Cut &#039;n Paste the message below)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;www.house.gov&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=CA&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dear Representative,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Approving this bailout will be signing your name to the biggest &quot;THEFT&quot; of American taxpayer dollars in US history.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Wall Street has been pushing for deregulation for years. Now they are the first ones in line asking for government intervention. &quot;Free Market when things are good and Socialism when the going gets tough.&quot; Wall Street has been getting rich off the backs of poor working-class Americans for too long.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;FULLY REINSTATE the GLASS - STEAGALL ACT of 1933.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Reinstating this key piece of regulation is the only way to ensure this scandal does not occur again in our lifetimes. Wall Street has led a concerted effort to abolish regulation for the past 70 years since the Great Depression. Now they have put the American people on the precipice of a Greater Depression.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m confident most American people aren&#039;t even aware of this key piece of legislation or that its regulatory power would have prevented this current financial disaster from ever happening.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The act was enacted during the Depression to control speculation by banks via mortgage-backed securities and other devices. The banking industry (namely Citicorp) bankrolled over $300 million lobbying to overthrow this legislation--now look what&#039;s happened....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please reconsider your position and stop this bailout.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please contact your Congressional representatives and tell them to stop this bailout now before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Email Congress:  (Cut &#8216;n Paste the message below)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.house.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=CA" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=CA</a></p>
<p>Dear Representative,</p>
<p>Approving this bailout will be signing your name to the biggest &#8220;THEFT&#8221; of American taxpayer dollars in US history.</p>
<p>Wall Street has been pushing for deregulation for years. Now they are the first ones in line asking for government intervention. &#8220;Free Market when things are good and Socialism when the going gets tough.&#8221; Wall Street has been getting rich off the backs of poor working-class Americans for too long.</p>
<p>FULLY REINSTATE the GLASS &#8211; STEAGALL ACT of 1933.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act</a></p>
<p>Reinstating this key piece of regulation is the only way to ensure this scandal does not occur again in our lifetimes. Wall Street has led a concerted effort to abolish regulation for the past 70 years since the Great Depression. Now they have put the American people on the precipice of a Greater Depression.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confident most American people aren&#8217;t even aware of this key piece of legislation or that its regulatory power would have prevented this current financial disaster from ever happening.</p>
<p>The act was enacted during the Depression to control speculation by banks via mortgage-backed securities and other devices. The banking industry (namely Citicorp) bankrolled over $300 million lobbying to overthrow this legislation&#8211;now look what&#8217;s happened&#8230;.</p>
<p>Please reconsider your position and stop this bailout.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: tuz</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/dark-bailout.html#comment-18506</link>
		<dc:creator>tuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a ripoff of the Spiral videos - which are much better and far more ironic...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://equityprivate.typepad.com/ep/2008/08/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a ripoff of the Spiral videos &#8211; which are much better and far more ironic&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://equityprivate.typepad.com/ep/2008/08/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://equityprivate.typepad.com/ep/2008/08/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I shouldn&#039;t say this, but I&#039;m going to say it anyway. Screw the market! .... OK, I&#039;ll take that back, not screw the market but let me tell you something,&quot; said conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh as part of his analysis of Monday&#039;s events.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/ &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;When the government fails to pass a socialism bill and the market goes south, let it go south. I don&#039;t want to pass a socialism bill just to protect the stock market,&quot; said Limbaugh, the most popular of the talk show hosts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t trust you (Bush) and when you start screaming now of dire consequences if we don&#039;t get a bailout bill, I don&#039;t trust you. I need convincing and apparently there are a lot of members of Congress who feel the same way,&quot; said Boortz in a view echoed by several of his listeners.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Callers also said they did not appreciate what they saw as scare tactics used by Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;It almost sounds like they are demagoguing and preaching that the sky is falling, which makes me skeptical,&quot; said one caller.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tens of millions of conservatives tune in to AM talk radio and trust its nationally syndicated hosts over media outlets they say have a liberal bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I shouldn&#8217;t say this, but I&#8217;m going to say it anyway. Screw the market! &#8230;. OK, I&#8217;ll take that back, not screw the market but let me tell you something,&#8221; said conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh as part of his analysis of Monday&#8217;s events.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;When the government fails to pass a socialism bill and the market goes south, let it go south. I don&#8217;t want to pass a socialism bill just to protect the stock market,&#8221; said Limbaugh, the most popular of the talk show hosts.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t trust you (Bush) and when you start screaming now of dire consequences if we don&#8217;t get a bailout bill, I don&#8217;t trust you. I need convincing and apparently there are a lot of members of Congress who feel the same way,&#8221; said Boortz in a view echoed by several of his listeners.</p>
<p>Callers also said they did not appreciate what they saw as scare tactics used by Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson.</p>
<p>&#8220;It almost sounds like they are demagoguing and preaching that the sky is falling, which makes me skeptical,&#8221; said one caller.</p>
<p>Tens of millions of conservatives tune in to AM talk radio and trust its nationally syndicated hosts over media outlets they say have a liberal bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SOBs.  They&#039;re going to either argue it has nothing to do with taxes or they&#039;re going to attach it to another bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SOBs.  They&#8217;re going to either argue it has nothing to do with taxes or they&#8217;re going to attach it to another bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill will probably pass easily.  this is off the radar of the average voter.  Yesterdays news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill will probably pass easily.  this is off the radar of the average voter.  Yesterdays news.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a pretty standard legislative maneuver. They would take up some revenue bill that the Hous ehas passed, but that the Senate hasn&#039;t acted on (there are lots of those floating around). Then they &quot;amend&quot; the House bill by stripping out all its language and putting theirs in. Taa-daa, a new-old revenue bill that fulfills constitutional requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a pretty standard legislative maneuver. They would take up some revenue bill that the Hous ehas passed, but that the Senate hasn&#8217;t acted on (there are lots of those floating around). Then they &#8220;amend&#8221; the House bill by stripping out all its language and putting theirs in. Taa-daa, a new-old revenue bill that fulfills constitutional requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As part of my full disclosure proramme, I have to admit, I have never been on The Supreme Court, nonetheless:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;FYI:  Revenue-raising bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which also has the sole power of impeachment, while the Senate has the sole power to try impeachment cases.&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S...i/ U.S._Congress&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bills may be introduced in either House of Congress. However, the Constitution provides that &quot;All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.&quot; As a result, the Senate does not have the power to initiate bills imposing taxes. Furthermore, the House of Representatives holds that the Senate does not have the power to originate appropriation bills, or bills authorizing the expenditure of federal funds. Historically, the Senate has disputed the interpretation advocated by the House. However, whenever the Senate originates an appropriations bill, the House simply refuses to consider it, thereby settling the dispute in practice. The constitutional provision barring the Senate from introducing revenue bills is based on the practice of the British Parliament, in which only the House of Commons may originate such measures.&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Uni...d_States_Senate&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;See Also:  A coup d’état (pronounced /kuːdeɪˈtɑː/ AHD: [ko͞o&quot;dā tä]), often simply called a coup, is the sudden overthrow of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government.&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d&#039;état</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of my full disclosure proramme, I have to admit, I have never been on The Supreme Court, nonetheless:</p>
<p>FYI:  Revenue-raising bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which also has the sole power of impeachment, while the Senate has the sole power to try impeachment cases.<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S...i/" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S&#8230;i/</a> U.S._Congress</p>
<p>Bills may be introduced in either House of Congress. However, the Constitution provides that &#8220;All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.&#8221; As a result, the Senate does not have the power to initiate bills imposing taxes. Furthermore, the House of Representatives holds that the Senate does not have the power to originate appropriation bills, or bills authorizing the expenditure of federal funds. Historically, the Senate has disputed the interpretation advocated by the House. However, whenever the Senate originates an appropriations bill, the House simply refuses to consider it, thereby settling the dispute in practice. The constitutional provision barring the Senate from introducing revenue bills is based on the practice of the British Parliament, in which only the House of Commons may originate such measures.<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a> Uni&#8230;d_States_Senate</p>
<p>See Also:  A coup d’état (pronounced /kuːdeɪˈtɑː/ AHD: [ko͞o"dā tä]), often simply called a coup, is the sudden overthrow of a government by a part of the state establishment — usually the military — to replace the branch of the stricken government, either with another civil government or with a military government.<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d</a>&#8216;état</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is legal. look up &quot;political question doctrine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is legal. look up &#8220;political question doctrine.&#8221;</p>
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