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	<title>Comments on: WSJ: Fed Asks Goldman, JP Morgan to Lend $75 Billion to AIG (But FInancial Times Disagrees)</title>
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		<title>By: Lune</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fed-asks-goldman-jp-morgan-to-lend-75.html#comment-15412</link>
		<dc:creator>Lune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly what systemic dangers does AIG pose to the American financial system that the Fed has to get involved? That&#039;s only partially a rhetorical question, as I know very little about the insurance industry and even less about AIG, so I&#039;m genuinely curious. But to my eye, AIG, as a private insurer, is only relevant to its policyholders. The only government interest is in any guarantees the government provides to policyholders to step in if an insurer is unable to payout a claim.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Really, this is getting ridiculous. First it was IBs, then it was GSEs, then S&amp;Ls, now insurance companies? And (in all likelihood), car companies in the next month or so??? Is there any company in corporate America that is not too big to fail? Anyone willing to live by the invisible hand and die by it as well? Anyone? Anyone?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;AIG and Fed defenders, I&#039;m all ears!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly what systemic dangers does AIG pose to the American financial system that the Fed has to get involved? That&#39;s only partially a rhetorical question, as I know very little about the insurance industry and even less about AIG, so I&#39;m genuinely curious. But to my eye, AIG, as a private insurer, is only relevant to its policyholders. The only government interest is in any guarantees the government provides to policyholders to step in if an insurer is unable to payout a claim.</p>
<p>Really, this is getting ridiculous. First it was IBs, then it was GSEs, then S&amp;Ls, now insurance companies? And (in all likelihood), car companies in the next month or so??? Is there any company in corporate America that is not too big to fail? Anyone willing to live by the invisible hand and die by it as well? Anyone? Anyone?</p>
<p>AIG and Fed defenders, I&#39;m all ears!</p>
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		<title>By: bondinvestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>bondinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the following are some personal speculations, based on my interpretation of the events so far.  but, as i see it, it&#039;s the most logical reading of the facts on the ground as we know them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the bridge loan only makes sense if AIG is going to be broken up and wound down in an orderly fashion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;think of it as DIP financing.  the underlying insurance subs are going to be auctioned off in order to raise cash for holdco.  holdco needs cash in order to (a) pay off the obligations of AIGFP; and (b) post collateral as the book is wound down. (AIGFP is an obligation of the holding company, i believe).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the global banks actually will be receptive to putting in $75B because the alternative is much, much worse: the wholesale unwinding of the CDS market.  AIG was a big writer of protection, and probably didn&#039;t do much hedging.  (as an insurance company, they are a natural seller of protection, and likely don&#039;t run a matched book the way JPM, GS and the market makers do.)  the entire WORLD is long AIG counterparty risk via AIGFP.  that includes the feds, via the interest rate swaps FNM/FRE have taken out to fix the duration of their retained portfolios.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;AIG clearly has massive needs at holdco (ie, AIGFP).  i suspect something more is going on than the  well-known CDO exposures.  i wouldn&#039;t be surprised if AIGFP was a big writer of FNM/FRE CDS, and LEH CDS.  those two trades alone might have been enough to blow a $20-40B hole in their balance sheet (let&#039;s not forget that AIG started cratering just after paulson nationalized the GSE&#039;s.  presumably the brokers who bought protection to offset their customer liabilities know who is on the hook for the claims payment.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;so let&#039;s suppose FM/FN blew another hole in AIG&#039;s balance sheet.  then LEH starts tottering (another potential liability).  the rating agencies are aware of this, and put the screws to the company to raise equity quickly.  the street sniffs blood and the thing starts to unwind.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;so AIG goes into the weekend looking for a miracle.  Flowers passed.  TPG passed.  Buffett passed.  those guys took a look and said &quot;no thanks&quot;.  we&#039;re more than happy to acquire some of your subs, but we&#039;re not injecting money into holdco (ie, AIGFP).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;AIG then decides that their only hope is to approach the feds and threaten the system.  the feds say, no way, and tell JPM &amp; GS (two large CDS brokers) to deal with it themselves.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;so JPM &amp; GS are underwriting the DIP loan for the holdco.  sure, the capital may avert a ratings downgrade in the near-term, but the reality is that no bank is putting in money unless they get paid back pretty quickly.  the only way that happens is if the loan is secured by subsidiaries that are already on the market.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;in the meantime, the market gets 6-12 months to gradually work down its exposure to AIGFP, in the hopes of averting another catastrophic hit on the heels of LEH.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;what a massive failure of leadership, prudent risk management and regulation.  unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the following are some personal speculations, based on my interpretation of the events so far.  but, as i see it, it&#39;s the most logical reading of the facts on the ground as we know them.</p>
<p>the bridge loan only makes sense if AIG is going to be broken up and wound down in an orderly fashion.</p>
<p>think of it as DIP financing.  the underlying insurance subs are going to be auctioned off in order to raise cash for holdco.  holdco needs cash in order to (a) pay off the obligations of AIGFP; and (b) post collateral as the book is wound down. (AIGFP is an obligation of the holding company, i believe).</p>
<p>the global banks actually will be receptive to putting in $75B because the alternative is much, much worse: the wholesale unwinding of the CDS market.  AIG was a big writer of protection, and probably didn&#39;t do much hedging.  (as an insurance company, they are a natural seller of protection, and likely don&#39;t run a matched book the way JPM, GS and the market makers do.)  the entire WORLD is long AIG counterparty risk via AIGFP.  that includes the feds, via the interest rate swaps FNM/FRE have taken out to fix the duration of their retained portfolios.</p>
<p>AIG clearly has massive needs at holdco (ie, AIGFP).  i suspect something more is going on than the  well-known CDO exposures.  i wouldn&#39;t be surprised if AIGFP was a big writer of FNM/FRE CDS, and LEH CDS.  those two trades alone might have been enough to blow a $20-40B hole in their balance sheet (let&#39;s not forget that AIG started cratering just after paulson nationalized the GSE&#39;s.  presumably the brokers who bought protection to offset their customer liabilities know who is on the hook for the claims payment.)</p>
<p>so let&#39;s suppose FM/FN blew another hole in AIG&#39;s balance sheet.  then LEH starts tottering (another potential liability).  the rating agencies are aware of this, and put the screws to the company to raise equity quickly.  the street sniffs blood and the thing starts to unwind.</p>
<p>so AIG goes into the weekend looking for a miracle.  Flowers passed.  TPG passed.  Buffett passed.  those guys took a look and said &quot;no thanks&quot;.  we&#39;re more than happy to acquire some of your subs, but we&#39;re not injecting money into holdco (ie, AIGFP).</p>
<p>AIG then decides that their only hope is to approach the feds and threaten the system.  the feds say, no way, and tell JPM &amp; GS (two large CDS brokers) to deal with it themselves.</p>
<p>so JPM &amp; GS are underwriting the DIP loan for the holdco.  sure, the capital may avert a ratings downgrade in the near-term, but the reality is that no bank is putting in money unless they get paid back pretty quickly.  the only way that happens is if the loan is secured by subsidiaries that are already on the market.</p>
<p>in the meantime, the market gets 6-12 months to gradually work down its exposure to AIGFP, in the hopes of averting another catastrophic hit on the heels of LEH.</p>
<p>what a massive failure of leadership, prudent risk management and regulation.  unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Richard, could we call it the ad hoc logic of an uncontrollability which can&#039;t be admitted, or is that too moderate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Richard, could we call it the ad hoc logic of an uncontrollability which can&#8217;t be admitted, or is that too moderate?</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All facts here are symptomatic of the EXTREMELY desperate straits of AIG.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are they really that desperate? Why did they refused a participation offer from a private equity firm this week end then?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because the upper crust would&#039;ve lost control of their Empire, correct?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, in order to preserve their almighty self-importance in the food chain of the elite, they go and beg to the Fed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well...nyet!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They screwed up, it&#039;s time to pay the piper.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The big boys go, or AIG blow...it&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All facts here are symptomatic of the EXTREMELY desperate straits of AIG.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are they really that desperate? Why did they refused a participation offer from a private equity firm this week end then?</p>
<p>Because the upper crust would&#8217;ve lost control of their Empire, correct?</p>
<p>So, in order to preserve their almighty self-importance in the food chain of the elite, they go and beg to the Fed.</p>
<p>Well&#8230;nyet!</p>
<p>They screwed up, it&#8217;s time to pay the piper.</p>
<p>The big boys go, or AIG blow&#8230;it&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 15, 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To update my blog comment of Sept. 9 2008:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here’s the deal boys and girls:&lt;br/&gt;1.The largest financial institution in the USA [add the whole financial system of the USA] is now being run by politicians.&lt;br/&gt;2.There are no rules that apply to politicians.&lt;br/&gt;3.There will be no rules, whatsoever, applied to the financial conduct of the former Fannie/Freddie [add the whole financial system of the USA] other than the “rules” of political expediency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But wait! Dubya is meeting manana&lt;br/&gt;with &quot;all the kings horses and all of the kings men&quot;. I wonder if he will see that all of those WMD that he thought were in Iraq were always right here at home in the Fed and the Treasury?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Earl L. Crockett&lt;br/&gt;Santa Cruz, CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>September 15, 2008</p>
<p>To update my blog comment of Sept. 9 2008:</p>
<p>Here’s the deal boys and girls:<br />1.The largest financial institution in the USA [add the whole financial system of the USA] is now being run by politicians.<br />2.There are no rules that apply to politicians.<br />3.There will be no rules, whatsoever, applied to the financial conduct of the former Fannie/Freddie [add the whole financial system of the USA] other than the “rules” of political expediency.</p>
<p>But wait! Dubya is meeting manana<br />with &#8220;all the kings horses and all of the kings men&#8221;. I wonder if he will see that all of those WMD that he thought were in Iraq were always right here at home in the Fed and the Treasury?</p>
<p>Earl L. Crockett<br />Santa Cruz, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The theory is that finding secured lenders would demonstrate confidence in the valuation of the assets that AIG is putting up for sale. The reality is probably far worse. The question is how much un-rollable paper AIG has falling due in 30 - 60.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theory is that finding secured lenders would demonstrate confidence in the valuation of the assets that AIG is putting up for sale. The reality is probably far worse. The question is how much un-rollable paper AIG has falling due in 30 &#8211; 60.</p>
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		<title>By: mmckinl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmckinl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is vintage Paulson. Kick the can down the road. We have seen this act too many times. The Super SIV, Hope(less) Now, Re-regulation and more. Who at this point, does Goldman call for capital to loan ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I totally agree with Richard Kline&#039;s post.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It was totally  irresponsible for New York to give AIG access to secured assets from their subsidiaries. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When AIG goes, and it will, the fallout will be a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is vintage Paulson. Kick the can down the road. We have seen this act too many times. The Super SIV, Hope(less) Now, Re-regulation and more. Who at this point, does Goldman call for capital to loan ?</p>
<p>I totally agree with Richard Kline&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>It was totally  irresponsible for New York to give AIG access to secured assets from their subsidiaries. </p>
<p>When AIG goes, and it will, the fallout will be a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All facts here are symptomatic of the EXTREMELY desperate straits of AIG.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The scope of the problem (in terms of the tens of billions required to temporarily repair the damage) keeps growing every 8 hours, as we learn more from inspecting their books about just how reckless they were without adult supervision.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All facts here are symptomatic of the EXTREMELY desperate straits of AIG.</p>
<p>The scope of the problem (in terms of the tens of billions required to temporarily repair the damage) keeps growing every 8 hours, as we learn more from inspecting their books about just how reckless they were without adult supervision.</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;WaMu debt lowered to junk by S&amp;P!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=awDjhtIfoz_Q&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ca-Ching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!!!</p>
<p>WaMu debt lowered to junk by S&amp;P!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=awDjhtIfoz_Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=awDjhtIfoz_Q</a></p>
<p>Ca-Ching!</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, Yves. It makes no sense... unless the Fed decides to make another monster non-recourse loan. Forget coupon passes; non-recourse loans are the new printing press :D&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers, Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Yves. It makes no sense&#8230; unless the Fed decides to make another monster non-recourse loan. Forget coupon passes; non-recourse loans are the new printing press <img src='http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers, Matt</p>
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