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		<title>By: Michael Fiorillo</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/financial-censorship-pr-at-work.html#comment-16121</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fiorillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fatbear, do you mean Grosz or Goya? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And please don&#039;t forget Bosch and Francis Bacon: they look like premonitions, too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for our rationally impoverished populace, Lewis Mumford spoke more than forty years ago about &quot;the electronic dark ages&quot; in his masterpiece, The Myth of the Machine. It&#039;s in two volumes; check out volume two, The Pentagon of Power.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By intending to give the investors in these fraudulent instruments every penny of interest they irrationally contracted for, so as to continue foreign purchases of treasury bonds to finance global militarism and empire, both political parties will destroy the currency, and perhaps the republic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;C. Wright Mills wrote about &quot;crackpot realists,&quot; and Ahab said - in close paraphrase - &quot;My methods  are reasonable, my purpose mad.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fatbear, do you mean Grosz or Goya? </p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t forget Bosch and Francis Bacon: they look like premonitions, too.</p>
<p>As for our rationally impoverished populace, Lewis Mumford spoke more than forty years ago about &#8220;the electronic dark ages&#8221; in his masterpiece, The Myth of the Machine. It&#8217;s in two volumes; check out volume two, The Pentagon of Power.</p>
<p>By intending to give the investors in these fraudulent instruments every penny of interest they irrationally contracted for, so as to continue foreign purchases of treasury bonds to finance global militarism and empire, both political parties will destroy the currency, and perhaps the republic.</p>
<p>C. Wright Mills wrote about &#8220;crackpot realists,&#8221; and Ahab said &#8211; in close paraphrase &#8211; &#8220;My methods  are reasonable, my purpose mad.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fatbear</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/financial-censorship-pr-at-work.html#comment-16095</link>
		<dc:creator>fatbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.diacenter.org/kos/images/goya.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.diacenter.org/kos/images/goya.html&amp;h=408&amp;w=525&amp;sz=28&amp;hl=en&amp;start=17&amp;um=1&amp;usg=__u2BiPR6JwDEzt72ypXMZg7CyJ5w=&amp;tbnid=tD_3M-plq64DxM:&amp;tbnh=103&amp;tbnw=132&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoya%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DG&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Better link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, <a HREF="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.diacenter.org/kos/images/goya.jpg&#038;imgrefurl=http://www.diacenter.org/kos/images/goya.html&#038;h=408&#038;w=525&#038;sz=28&#038;hl=en&#038;start=17&#038;um=1&#038;usg=__u2BiPR6JwDEzt72ypXMZg7CyJ5w=&#038;tbnid=tD_3M-plq64DxM:&#038;tbnh=103&#038;tbnw=132&#038;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoya%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DG" REL="nofollow">Better link</a></p>
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		<title>By: fatbear</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/financial-censorship-pr-at-work.html#comment-16094</link>
		<dc:creator>fatbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rockwell may be the PR person&#039;s statement, but the reality is more &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/uttamkumar44/goya_shootingmay3.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/uttamkumar44/goya2.html&amp;h=794&amp;w=1048&amp;sz=55&amp;hl=en&amp;start=18&amp;um=1&amp;usg=__tCjfeQDg_yCcLJGVW2-e3ZFtepg=&amp;tbnid=ot9Gwz_e3xkF2M:&amp;tbnh=114&amp;tbnw=150&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoya%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DG&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George Grosz&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rockwell may be the PR person&#8217;s statement, but the reality is more <a HREF="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/uttamkumar44/goya_shootingmay3.jpg&#038;imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/uttamkumar44/goya2.html&#038;h=794&#038;w=1048&#038;sz=55&#038;hl=en&#038;start=18&#038;um=1&#038;usg=__tCjfeQDg_yCcLJGVW2-e3ZFtepg=&#038;tbnid=ot9Gwz_e3xkF2M:&#038;tbnh=114&#038;tbnw=150&#038;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgoya%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DG" REL="nofollow">George Grosz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/financial-censorship-pr-at-work.html#comment-16075</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a symptom of a larger problem - our social capital aka trust is unwinding. And for some of the same reasons as the fiscal capital - too much leverage used recklessly and without regard to the long term consequences. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the case of public trust that means too many lies and too much spin were geared up over too narrow a supporting base of trustworthiness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Somebody tell Francis Fukuyama to call his office, it may be time to add an epilog to his 1995 book on Trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a symptom of a larger problem &#8211; our social capital aka trust is unwinding. And for some of the same reasons as the fiscal capital &#8211; too much leverage used recklessly and without regard to the long term consequences. </p>
<p>In the case of public trust that means too many lies and too much spin were geared up over too narrow a supporting base of trustworthiness.</p>
<p>Somebody tell Francis Fukuyama to call his office, it may be time to add an epilog to his 1995 book on Trust.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/financial-censorship-pr-at-work.html#comment-16070</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it will be God&#039;s Plan to narrow the range of comments in the blogsphere which are often too free, too unofficial, too unregulated and wild  --  thus it will help to have greater control of communications and to ease the burden for those that require stricter adherence to our new social policies.  Perhaps it is also God&#039;s Plan to distribute berets to all our children and begin better educational policies and reform movements as well as soon as possible!  This is a time of crisis for our elite!  We need to be on the same page together as one collective unit standing, I mean kneeling before our annointed officials!! SNARK Squared...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it will be God&#8217;s Plan to narrow the range of comments in the blogsphere which are often too free, too unofficial, too unregulated and wild  &#8212;  thus it will help to have greater control of communications and to ease the burden for those that require stricter adherence to our new social policies.  Perhaps it is also God&#8217;s Plan to distribute berets to all our children and begin better educational policies and reform movements as well as soon as possible!  This is a time of crisis for our elite!  We need to be on the same page together as one collective unit standing, I mean kneeling before our annointed officials!! SNARK Squared&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dubuque</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/financial-censorship-pr-at-work.html#comment-16055</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Dubuque&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very good post Yves!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Corporate spin needs to be carefully parsed word for word and phrase for phrase, just like an old denial from Bill Clinton or Dick Cheney.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That relates to the spin.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some of what is coming out from corporate sources is outright lies.  I&#039;m convinced that Lehman was spewing a fair amount of that about its various proposed &quot;merger partners&quot; during its protracted endgame.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Additionally, I think the press crew needs to improve as well.  I note the claim by a relatively unknown reporter for the Chicago Times where an alleged hearsay comment of Bernanke was PARAPHRASED and then given wide currency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No other reporter from any reputable paper reported Bernanke&#039;s alleged comment, nor David Hale&#039;s checkered record understanding Fed policy moves in 1982 and 1987.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matthew Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Dubuque</p>
<p>Very good post Yves!</p>
<p>Corporate spin needs to be carefully parsed word for word and phrase for phrase, just like an old denial from Bill Clinton or Dick Cheney.</p>
<p>That relates to the spin.</p>
<p>Some of what is coming out from corporate sources is outright lies.  I&#8217;m convinced that Lehman was spewing a fair amount of that about its various proposed &#8220;merger partners&#8221; during its protracted endgame.</p>
<p>Additionally, I think the press crew needs to improve as well.  I note the claim by a relatively unknown reporter for the Chicago Times where an alleged hearsay comment of Bernanke was PARAPHRASED and then given wide currency.</p>
<p>No other reporter from any reputable paper reported Bernanke&#8217;s alleged comment, nor David Hale&#8217;s checkered record understanding Fed policy moves in 1982 and 1987.</p>
<p>Matthew Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about that! You took down the melted plastic bull! Censorship!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about that! You took down the melted plastic bull! Censorship!!!</p>
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		<title>By: msgtb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msgtb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have one question why is Democratic party helping to bail out the wall St. Bankers that caused this mess? I though they were supposed to be on the side of the common man. They are leading in the bailout efforts. This is an outrage and the taxpayers should revolt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have one question why is Democratic party helping to bail out the wall St. Bankers that caused this mess? I though they were supposed to be on the side of the common man. They are leading in the bailout efforts. This is an outrage and the taxpayers should revolt.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous of 9:11&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The quoted story suggests that it&#039;s actually Mack that&#039;s telling the truth. What was it you wanted to be retracted or corrected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous of 9:11</p>
<p>The quoted story suggests that it&#8217;s actually Mack that&#8217;s telling the truth. What was it you wanted to be retracted or corrected?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NY Times posted a correction/retraction.  Yesterday. Where is yours?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/pageoneplus/corrections.html?scp=2&amp;sq=mack%20pandit&amp;st=cse&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Editor&#039;s Note&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A front-page article on Thursday reported on discussions the investment bank Morgan Stanley has had with possible merger partners. It cited two people who were said to have been briefed on a conversation in which John J. Mack, chief executive of Morgan Stanley, had told Vikram S. Pandit, Citigroup’s chief executive, that “we need a merger partner or we’re not going to make it.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After the article appeared, Morgan Stanley vigorously denied that Mr. Mack had made the comment, as did Citigroup, which had declined to comment on Wednesday. The two people whom The Times cited now say that because they were not present during the discussions, they cannot confirm that Mr. Mack in fact made the statement. The Times should have asked Morgan Stanley for comment and should not have used the quotation without verifying that the two people had direct knowledge of any comments made by Mr. Mack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NY Times posted a correction/retraction.  Yesterday. Where is yours?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/pageoneplus/corrections.html?scp=2&amp;sq=mack%20pandit&amp;st=cse" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/pageoneplus/corrections.html?scp=2&amp;sq=mack%20pandit&amp;st=cse</a></p>
<p>Editor&#39;s Note</p>
<p>A front-page article on Thursday reported on discussions the investment bank Morgan Stanley has had with possible merger partners. It cited two people who were said to have been briefed on a conversation in which John J. Mack, chief executive of Morgan Stanley, had told Vikram S. Pandit, Citigroup’s chief executive, that “we need a merger partner or we’re not going to make it.”</p>
<p>After the article appeared, Morgan Stanley vigorously denied that Mr. Mack had made the comment, as did Citigroup, which had declined to comment on Wednesday. The two people whom The Times cited now say that because they were not present during the discussions, they cannot confirm that Mr. Mack in fact made the statement. The Times should have asked Morgan Stanley for comment and should not have used the quotation without verifying that the two people had direct knowledge of any comments made by Mr. Mack.</p>
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