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	<title>Comments on: Fortis Rescued, but Hypo Bank May Go Bankrupt Monday</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fortis-rescued-but-hypo-bank-may-go.html#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one understands the meaning of the adjectival &#039;hypo-,&#039; this is, is _destiny_.  Hypo named their end years ago, must tread that stony path . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one understands the meaning of the adjectival &#8216;hypo-,&#8217; this is, is _destiny_.  Hypo named their end years ago, must tread that stony path . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Walther von Reinbach (spain)</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fortis-rescued-but-hypo-bank-may-go.html#comment-18147</link>
		<dc:creator>Walther von Reinbach (spain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please seed and spread around! My Internet connect sucks, but this should be available to people!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is an audio recording of the conference call with the US Treasury Department, giving information for financial analysts regarding the planned financial bailout legislation. Apologies for the audio quality - it was recorded using a mini digital recorder, half with the microphone and half with an inductive pickup. The first minute or so is cut off (we were too slow!), but the rest is intact through the end.&lt;br/&gt;http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4418763&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*update: now also posted on youtube in five parts*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please seed and spread around! My Internet connect sucks, but this should be available to people!</p>
<p>This is an audio recording of the conference call with the US Treasury Department, giving information for financial analysts regarding the planned financial bailout legislation. Apologies for the audio quality &#8211; it was recorded using a mini digital recorder, half with the microphone and half with an inductive pickup. The first minute or so is cut off (we were too slow!), but the rest is intact through the end.<br /><a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4418763" rel="nofollow">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4418763</a></p>
<p>*update: now also posted on youtube in five parts*</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fortis-rescued-but-hypo-bank-may-go.html#comment-18095</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago I began to notice Hypo&#039;s name on the sighns outside of New Yrok City building projects and wondered how much such a European Bank really knew about the New York City real estate market.  Well now we know; not enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago I began to notice Hypo&#8217;s name on the sighns outside of New Yrok City building projects and wondered how much such a European Bank really knew about the New York City real estate market.  Well now we know; not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fortis-rescued-but-hypo-bank-may-go.html#comment-18092</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;According to dealbreaker, Treasury sent this memo regarding the conference call to SIFMA and others.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;MEMORANDUM &lt;br/&gt;TO: SIFMA Government Reps Committee&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;FR: SIFMA Washington Office&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;DA: September 28, 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;RE: Conference Call w. Treasury / 9:00PM TONIGHT&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At 9:00pm tonight, Sunday, September 28th, there will be a call with Treasury officials to discuss the Troubled Asset Recovery Plan. This call is specifically for analysts. Please distribute ASAP to analysts in your firm who might be interested in participating. We have also distributed this call notice through various SIFMA Committees to solicit analyst participation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please find the conference call information below:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Date: Sunday, September 28th&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Time: 9:00PM ET&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Toll-free Dial-in: 1-866-843-0890&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Entry Code: 1812173#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yves,</p>
<p>According to dealbreaker, Treasury sent this memo regarding the conference call to SIFMA and others.</p>
<p>MEMORANDUM <br />TO: SIFMA Government Reps Committee</p>
<p>FR: SIFMA Washington Office</p>
<p>DA: September 28, 2008</p>
<p>RE: Conference Call w. Treasury / 9:00PM TONIGHT</p>
<p>At 9:00pm tonight, Sunday, September 28th, there will be a call with Treasury officials to discuss the Troubled Asset Recovery Plan. This call is specifically for analysts. Please distribute ASAP to analysts in your firm who might be interested in participating. We have also distributed this call notice through various SIFMA Committees to solicit analyst participation.</p>
<p>Please find the conference call information below:</p>
<p>Date: Sunday, September 28th</p>
<p>Time: 9:00PM ET</p>
<p>Toll-free Dial-in: 1-866-843-0890</p>
<p>Entry Code: 1812173#</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fortis-rescued-but-hypo-bank-may-go.html#comment-18088</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon of 10:09 PM,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wish I could hoist your recap into a post, but I cannot verify that either the call was real (I am really bothered that the Treasury is giving analysts info it is not sharing with the media or public at large) or to be blunt, whether you are real. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you have a suggestion as to how to get around those problems (any evidence of the call?) e-mail me. Click on my name under &quot;Contributors&quot; and it takes you to a bio page with an e-mail link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon of 10:09 PM,</p>
<p>I wish I could hoist your recap into a post, but I cannot verify that either the call was real (I am really bothered that the Treasury is giving analysts info it is not sharing with the media or public at large) or to be blunt, whether you are real. </p>
<p>If you have a suggestion as to how to get around those problems (any evidence of the call?) e-mail me. Click on my name under &#8220;Contributors&#8221; and it takes you to a bio page with an e-mail link.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT: there was a call by the Treasury for analysts about Paulson&#039;s plan, I managed to listen in.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Takeaways from the Analyst Call:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Broad Discretion for Treasury Secretary&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Almost impossible to stop immediate allocation of all $700B, especially if Paulson asks for all of it immediately after Congress goes on break!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Purpose was to maximize the liquidity boost (wealth transfer) to the system, not to optimize for the taxpayer. No requirement that banks relend cash they receive.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Will wait a few weeks before anything is done (weak banks can fail), even then prefer to deal with strong banks than rescue weak ones.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Exec comp. provisions won&#039;t really affect strong banks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Pricing TBD&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All matters of implementation will be done as &quot;guidelines&quot; meaning they are exempt from public review and comment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PLEASE try to get thru to your Representatives by phone or fax.  They will be reporting to the floor at 8am tomorrow to vote on two bills, the second is this Bailout Bonanza, then they recess for the year.  They should know what was said in that call!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: there was a call by the Treasury for analysts about Paulson&#8217;s plan, I managed to listen in.</p>
<p>Takeaways from the Analyst Call:</p>
<p>Broad Discretion for Treasury Secretary</p>
<p>Almost impossible to stop immediate allocation of all $700B, especially if Paulson asks for all of it immediately after Congress goes on break!</p>
<p>Purpose was to maximize the liquidity boost (wealth transfer) to the system, not to optimize for the taxpayer. No requirement that banks relend cash they receive.</p>
<p>Will wait a few weeks before anything is done (weak banks can fail), even then prefer to deal with strong banks than rescue weak ones.</p>
<p>Exec comp. provisions won&#8217;t really affect strong banks.</p>
<p>Pricing TBD</p>
<p>All matters of implementation will be done as &#8220;guidelines&#8221; meaning they are exempt from public review and comment.</p>
<p>PLEASE try to get thru to your Representatives by phone or fax.  They will be reporting to the floor at 8am tomorrow to vote on two bills, the second is this Bailout Bonanza, then they recess for the year.  They should know what was said in that call!</p>
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		<title>By: Kuchenjunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kuchenjunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in addition to my earlier comment:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;according to a company statement HRE gets a 10 bn EUR mid term loan from other banks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now I have to go to bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in addition to my earlier comment:</p>
<p>according to a company statement HRE gets a 10 bn EUR mid term loan from other banks.</p>
<p>Now I have to go to bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is a link to a current article on Bloomberg:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&amp;sid=ajEcFjp85SDY&amp;refer=europe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>Here is a link to a current article on Bloomberg:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&amp;sid=ajEcFjp85SDY&amp;refer=europe" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&amp;sid=ajEcFjp85SDY&amp;refer=europe</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kuchenjunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kuchenjunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;this is KJ from Germany. Focus Online is saying, that a pool of other banks is giving mid term credit to HRE to avoid bankruptcy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.focus.de/politik/schlagzeilen?day=20080929&amp;did=917922&amp;gn=0&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Belgium (4,7 bn EUR) an Luxembourg invest (2,5 bn EUR) in Fortis. ING buys the shares of ABN Amro.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/finanzdienstleister/:Staatsintervention-Belgien-springt-Fortis-zur-Seite/419559.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your blog is great.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;KJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>this is KJ from Germany. Focus Online is saying, that a pool of other banks is giving mid term credit to HRE to avoid bankruptcy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.focus.de/politik/schlagzeilen?day=20080929&amp;did=917922&amp;gn=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.focus.de/politik/schlagzeilen?day=20080929&amp;did=917922&amp;gn=0</a></p>
<p>Belgium (4,7 bn EUR) an Luxembourg invest (2,5 bn EUR) in Fortis. ING buys the shares of ABN Amro.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/finanzdienstleister/:Staatsintervention-Belgien-springt-Fortis-zur-Seite/419559.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/finanzdienstleister/:Staatsintervention-Belgien-springt-Fortis-zur-Seite/419559.html</a></p>
<p>Your blog is great.</p>
<p>KJ</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s just short-term funding issue and not an asset quality/solvency issue then it seems either the Germany government (as it has recently) and/or the ECB could and should do something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s just short-term funding issue and not an asset quality/solvency issue then it seems either the Germany government (as it has recently) and/or the ECB could and should do something&#8230;</p>
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