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	<title>Comments on: Lehman Bankruptcy Looms; Emergency Lehman Swaps Session Today (Slightly Revised and Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/gentlemen-net-your-positions-emergency.html#comment-15209</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, did you call the Fed letting Lehman fail before me?  Thought  I was the first, here in this fine blog.&lt;br/&gt;Just curious.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder what impact the Bankruptcy &quot;reform&quot; legislation  passed in 2006 (2007?) has on this issue of how a bankruptcy stay applies to derivative unwinds in the USA.  The abstract of the article stated does not specifically mention the USA.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Given the proliferation of these swaps written as domiciled in offshore banking facilities (OBFs) the jurisdictional legal maze only adds to the overwhelming complexity at hand.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Full employment for securities lawyers.  As much work as you can handle at $500 an hour.  But incredibly tedious and repetitive.  Basically assembly line work at $500 an hour.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I note  that the paper referenced was published in by NBER in 2005.  I&#039;d like to read it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, did you call the Fed letting Lehman fail before me?  Thought  I was the first, here in this fine blog.<br />Just curious.</p>
<p>I wonder what impact the Bankruptcy &#8220;reform&#8221; legislation  passed in 2006 (2007?) has on this issue of how a bankruptcy stay applies to derivative unwinds in the USA.  The abstract of the article stated does not specifically mention the USA.</p>
<p>Given the proliferation of these swaps written as domiciled in offshore banking facilities (OBFs) the jurisdictional legal maze only adds to the overwhelming complexity at hand.  </p>
<p>Full employment for securities lawyers.  As much work as you can handle at $500 an hour.  But incredibly tedious and repetitive.  Basically assembly line work at $500 an hour.</p>
<p>I note  that the paper referenced was published in by NBER in 2005.  I&#8217;d like to read it.</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Private, I rest my case. The issue is &quot;dumb&quot; Americans in 401k accounts who&#039;ve been told all the fables about &quot;diversification&quot; and &quot;bond safety&quot; are about to understand there is no safety and mutual fund are no haven. Dot com bust shook confidence but this unwind undermines the whole notion of &quot;long term&quot; investing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private, I rest my case. The issue is &#8220;dumb&#8221; Americans in 401k accounts who&#8217;ve been told all the fables about &#8220;diversification&#8221; and &#8220;bond safety&#8221; are about to understand there is no safety and mutual fund are no haven. Dot com bust shook confidence but this unwind undermines the whole notion of &#8220;long term&#8221; investing.</p>
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		<title>By: private</title>
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		<dc:creator>private</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jmh, says &quot;JMHO but derivatives have ... undermined the notion of bondholder &quot;priority.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Long term investors are the losers as derivatives hollow out future value and coupled with leveraging the impact is exponential.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bondholders can protect themselves with covenants restricting debtor activities.  The thing is in the past several years bondholders have been willing to accept bonds with weak covenants issued by debtors with crappy balance sheets.  Now they will pay the piper.  There is no free song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jmh, says &#8220;JMHO but derivatives have &#8230; undermined the notion of bondholder &#8220;priority.&#8221;<br />Long term investors are the losers as derivatives hollow out future value and coupled with leveraging the impact is exponential.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bondholders can protect themselves with covenants restricting debtor activities.  The thing is in the past several years bondholders have been willing to accept bonds with weak covenants issued by debtors with crappy balance sheets.  Now they will pay the piper.  There is no free song.</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYT reports:&lt;br/&gt; &quot;A consortium of banks will provide a financial backstop to help provide an orderly winding down of the 158-year-old investment bank. And the Federal Reserve has agreed to accept lower-quality assets in return for loans from the government.&lt;br/&gt;But Lehman’s filing is unlikely to resemble those of other companies that seek bankruptcy protection. Because of the harsher treatment that federal bankruptcy law applies to financial-services firm, Lehman cannot hope to reorganize and survive as a going concern. It will instead liquidate its holdings.&lt;br/&gt;It was not clear whether the government would appoint a trustee to supervise Lehman’s liquidation, or how big the financial backstop would be.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;snip&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Moreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets. Investment banks, hedge funds and other financial players labored throughout Sunday to offset their exposure to Lehman, moving their contracts to other firms.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/lehman-to-file-for-bankruptcy-protection/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;JMHO but derivatives have reduced shareholders from &quot;owners&quot; to mere claimants against a precarious revenue stream and undermined the notion of bondholder &quot;priority.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Long term investors are the losers as derivatives hollow out future value and coupled with leveraging the impact is exponential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYT reports:<br /> &#8220;A consortium of banks will provide a financial backstop to help provide an orderly winding down of the 158-year-old investment bank. And the Federal Reserve has agreed to accept lower-quality assets in return for loans from the government.<br />But Lehman’s filing is unlikely to resemble those of other companies that seek bankruptcy protection. Because of the harsher treatment that federal bankruptcy law applies to financial-services firm, Lehman cannot hope to reorganize and survive as a going concern. It will instead liquidate its holdings.<br />It was not clear whether the government would appoint a trustee to supervise Lehman’s liquidation, or how big the financial backstop would be.&#8221;<br />snip<br />&#8220;Moreover, changes to the bankruptcy code mean that counterparties to Lehman’s credit-default swaps can seize their collateral at any time, posing an enormous potential risk to the entire financial markets. Investment banks, hedge funds and other financial players labored throughout Sunday to offset their exposure to Lehman, moving their contracts to other firms.&#8221;<br /><a href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/lehman-to-file-for-bankruptcy-protection/" rel="nofollow">http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/lehman-to-file-for-bankruptcy-protection/</a></p>
<p>JMHO but derivatives have reduced shareholders from &#8220;owners&#8221; to mere claimants against a precarious revenue stream and undermined the notion of bondholder &#8220;priority.&#8221;<br />Long term investors are the losers as derivatives hollow out future value and coupled with leveraging the impact is exponential.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/gentlemen-net-your-positions-emergency.html#comment-15193</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gross needs another bailout; guess Fannie wasnt enough?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Re:   Pimco&#039;s Bill Gross said on Sunday that a Lehman Brother&#039;s (LEH.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) bankruptcy risks an &quot;immediate tsunami&quot; because of the unwinding of derivative and credit swap-related positions worldwide.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Talks to sell Lehman faltered Sunday, triggering concerns that the investment bank may be heading into bankruptcy by the end of the day and prompting banks to call an emergency trading session to unwind positions with the firm.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;It appears that Lehman will file for bankruptcy and the risk of an immediate tsunami is related to the unwind of derivative and swap-related positions worldwide in the dealer, hedge fund, and buyside universe,&quot; Gross, the chief investment officer of Pacific Investment Management Co (Pimco), told Reuters. Pimco oversees more than $812 billion in assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gross needs another bailout; guess Fannie wasnt enough?</p>
<p>Re:   Pimco&#8217;s Bill Gross said on Sunday that a Lehman Brother&#8217;s (LEH.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) bankruptcy risks an &#8220;immediate tsunami&#8221; because of the unwinding of derivative and credit swap-related positions worldwide.</p>
<p>Talks to sell Lehman faltered Sunday, triggering concerns that the investment bank may be heading into bankruptcy by the end of the day and prompting banks to call an emergency trading session to unwind positions with the firm.</p>
<p>&#8220;It appears that Lehman will file for bankruptcy and the risk of an immediate tsunami is related to the unwind of derivative and swap-related positions worldwide in the dealer, hedge fund, and buyside universe,&#8221; Gross, the chief investment officer of Pacific Investment Management Co (Pimco), told Reuters. Pimco oversees more than $812 billion in assets.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much does Dick Fuld hate John Thain right now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does Dick Fuld hate John Thain right now?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were Paulson, and had everybody in the same room:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Announce that the government is doing a $30 billion guarantee for Lehman like it did for Bear Stearns.  In return, every company in the room agrees to a one-year industry-wide moratorium on bonuses and dividends, no exceptions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bankers &quot;voluntarily&quot; inflicting pain on themselves provides political cover for one last federal bailout, and there&#039;s also cover for the weaker players to cut costs without stigma and without fear of their talent being poached.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why would the stronger players agree to it?  Because their stock prices might actually go up sharply.  It could be the mother of short-squeeze rallies, the long awaited market bottom, and unlike July this one might actually stick because there&#039;s no quick expiry after a few weeks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bring Barney Frank into the room at a critical juncture to play the role of unhinged &quot;bad cop&quot;, and announce that the Administration is working closely with him to explore some new interesting legislation.... ba da boom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were Paulson, and had everybody in the same room:</p>
<p>Announce that the government is doing a $30 billion guarantee for Lehman like it did for Bear Stearns.  In return, every company in the room agrees to a one-year industry-wide moratorium on bonuses and dividends, no exceptions.</p>
<p>Bankers &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; inflicting pain on themselves provides political cover for one last federal bailout, and there&#8217;s also cover for the weaker players to cut costs without stigma and without fear of their talent being poached.</p>
<p>Why would the stronger players agree to it?  Because their stock prices might actually go up sharply.  It could be the mother of short-squeeze rallies, the long awaited market bottom, and unlike July this one might actually stick because there&#8217;s no quick expiry after a few weeks.</p>
<p>Bring Barney Frank into the room at a critical juncture to play the role of unhinged &#8220;bad cop&#8221;, and announce that the Administration is working closely with him to explore some new interesting legislation&#8230;. ba da boom!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can prepare for a bkptcy - and avoid a bkptcy - remember the Bear?  Sometimes it&#039;s just a threatening posture to assume.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But anyone buying Lb was probably wary of their inherent inability to manage risk...or the desks shall we say...they were all talk no action - bring back Madelyn (former head of risk - demoted for being too diligent)(not in so many words).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can prepare for a bkptcy &#8211; and avoid a bkptcy &#8211; remember the Bear?  Sometimes it&#8217;s just a threatening posture to assume.</p>
<p>But anyone buying Lb was probably wary of their inherent inability to manage risk&#8230;or the desks shall we say&#8230;they were all talk no action &#8211; bring back Madelyn (former head of risk &#8211; demoted for being too diligent)(not in so many words).</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some light Sunday reading:&lt;br/&gt;Derivatives in Bankruptcy&lt;br/&gt;(with 2005 Amendment analysis!)&lt;br/&gt;http://www.eapdlaw.com/files/News/d98fe6cd-d3de-4fe9-b237-005c918f8cbd/Presentation/NewsAttachment/2f04d9ea-123a-4e31-ab51-01ec34453372/Derivatives%20in%20Bankruptcy.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some light Sunday reading:<br />Derivatives in Bankruptcy<br />(with 2005 Amendment analysis!)<br /><a href="http://www.eapdlaw.com/files/News/d98fe6cd-d3de-4fe9-b237-005c918f8cbd/Presentation/NewsAttachment/2f04d9ea-123a-4e31-ab51-01ec34453372/Derivatives%20in%20Bankruptcy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.eapdlaw.com/files/News/d98fe6cd-d3de-4fe9-b237-005c918f8cbd/Presentation/NewsAttachment/2f04d9ea-123a-4e31-ab51-01ec34453372/Derivatives%20in%20Bankruptcy.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Isn&#039;t anybody going to save poor little WaMu? (chuckle)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is why they re merging, to help out the little guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Isn&#8217;t anybody going to save poor little WaMu? (chuckle)</p>
<p>That is why they re merging, to help out the little guy</p>
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