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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/morgan-stanley-goldman-to-become-banks.html#comment-16563</link>
		<dc:creator>Blissex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>«It is more &quot;shakedowns-for-gansters 101&quot; of course.»&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Apparently Dodd and Pelosi decided not to take the offer of &quot;protection&quot; from recessions as it was. At least a bit of pushback...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«It is more &#8220;shakedowns-for-gansters 101&#8243; of course.»</p>
<p>Apparently Dodd and Pelosi decided not to take the offer of &#8220;protection&#8221; from recessions as it was. At least a bit of pushback&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 22, 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul:&lt;br/&gt;   I was in a CA. WaMu branch last week helping a client empty their safe deposit box. I pulled out all of the cash two months ago. The teller counter was covered with flyers announcing 5% yield, one year, CD’s. I think your 7%/six month estimate might be a little low.&lt;br/&gt;Earl</description>
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<p>Paul:<br />   I was in a CA. WaMu branch last week helping a client empty their safe deposit box. I pulled out all of the cash two months ago. The teller counter was covered with flyers announcing 5% yield, one year, CD’s. I think your 7%/six month estimate might be a little low.<br />Earl</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Bonin, Attorney and Chairman, Netroots Nation:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Indeed. It&#039;s starting to remind me of that scene in Blazing Saddles when Sheriff Bart rode into town to find all the townspeople&#039;s&#039; guns angrily pointed at his head. Reduce...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; As in the movie, Paulson&#039;s responding to the crowd by pointing a gun at his own head, swearing that if anyone makes a move against this bailout plan he&#039;ll shoot the economy, while shrieking &quot;Do what he say! Do what he say!&quot; out of the corner of his mouth on all the Sunday talk shows. &lt;br/&gt;Via politico&lt;br/&gt;plschwartz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Bonin, Attorney and Chairman, Netroots Nation:</p>
<p>Indeed. It&#8217;s starting to remind me of that scene in Blazing Saddles when Sheriff Bart rode into town to find all the townspeople&#8217;s&#8217; guns angrily pointed at his head. Reduce&#8230;</p>
<p> As in the movie, Paulson&#8217;s responding to the crowd by pointing a gun at his own head, swearing that if anyone makes a move against this bailout plan he&#8217;ll shoot the economy, while shrieking &#8220;Do what he say! Do what he say!&#8221; out of the corner of his mouth on all the Sunday talk shows. <br />Via politico<br />plschwartz</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am at a loss of how regional banks will compete with these behemoths for deposits.  I&#039;ll laugh if Goldman announces tomorrow 6 month CDs yielding 7%.  Ah the marvels of leverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am at a loss of how regional banks will compete with these behemoths for deposits.  I&#8217;ll laugh if Goldman announces tomorrow 6 month CDs yielding 7%.  Ah the marvels of leverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 21, 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;     In this day of super-quick-sand descent, 09-21-08, a day of infamy beyond any other, a trivial question comes to mind. What will the bail-out-ees pull out of their “you know what’s” and offer up to Hank’s TARP. My guess is all of their, “off balance sheet” toxic waste that has been heretofore “legally” hidden from public view much less considered to be important by what we used to call “regulators”.&lt;br/&gt;     &lt;br/&gt;    My guess is that this amount will be in the $1.5 trillion range, if we’re lucky, before we even get to the $850 billion, again “if we’re lucky”, that Hank-en-Gang are estimating to be “on balance sheet”. And please, don’t even go down the rat hole about “how can you offer up something that you don’t even own.” The rule now is “There are no rules” much less that old fashion thing called “Laws”.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Earl&lt;br/&gt;On the Beach, and getting ready to swim to Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>September 21, 2008</p>
<p>     In this day of super-quick-sand descent, 09-21-08, a day of infamy beyond any other, a trivial question comes to mind. What will the bail-out-ees pull out of their “you know what’s” and offer up to Hank’s TARP. My guess is all of their, “off balance sheet” toxic waste that has been heretofore “legally” hidden from public view much less considered to be important by what we used to call “regulators”.</p>
<p>    My guess is that this amount will be in the $1.5 trillion range, if we’re lucky, before we even get to the $850 billion, again “if we’re lucky”, that Hank-en-Gang are estimating to be “on balance sheet”. And please, don’t even go down the rat hole about “how can you offer up something that you don’t even own.” The rule now is “There are no rules” much less that old fashion thing called “Laws”.</p>
<p>Earl<br />On the Beach, and getting ready to swim to Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blissex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>«&lt;i&gt;tactic is part of negotiation-for-gangsters 101:&lt;/i&gt;»&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is more &quot;shakedowns-for-gansters 101&quot; of course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can imagine Bernanke and Paulson going to visit Dodd and Pelosi and opening&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Nice plush office you keep here, senators. Wouldn&#039;t it be terrible if some mob came here to smash it all because you didn&#039;t hire us for &quot;protection&quot; against recession? It is going to cost you only 700 billions of other people&#039;s money.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then Pelosi and Dodd look scared, bark &quot;Yes, Yes&quot;, and the next day Bernanke says &quot;Oh well, we could have asked for more&quot; and Paulson replies &quot;we still can do that&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second meeting: &quot;you know senators, your party&#039;s nice election campaign. Wouldn&#039;t it be a very sad accident if it went horribly wrong? Well, it turns out that if you want our &quot;protection&quot; you got to add also add some little extras...&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«<i>tactic is part of negotiation-for-gangsters 101:</i>»</p>
<p>It is more &#8220;shakedowns-for-gansters 101&#8243; of course.</p>
<p>I can imagine Bernanke and Paulson going to visit Dodd and Pelosi and opening</p>
<p>&#8220;Nice plush office you keep here, senators. Wouldn&#8217;t it be terrible if some mob came here to smash it all because you didn&#8217;t hire us for &#8220;protection&#8221; against recession? It is going to cost you only 700 billions of other people&#8217;s money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then Pelosi and Dodd look scared, bark &#8220;Yes, Yes&#8221;, and the next day Bernanke says &#8220;Oh well, we could have asked for more&#8221; and Paulson replies &#8220;we still can do that&#8221;.</p>
<p>Second meeting: &#8220;you know senators, your party&#8217;s nice election campaign. Wouldn&#8217;t it be a very sad accident if it went horribly wrong? Well, it turns out that if you want our &#8220;protection&#8221; you got to add also add some little extras&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blissex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>«&lt;i&gt;First Paulsen&#039;s proposal was &quot;domestic headquartered&quot; and &quot;mortgage and mortgage-related&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;then it moved into a general foreign component, after all they have an effect on the US too, and a far broader potential selection of paper assets.&lt;/i&gt;»&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That means that the Congress rolled over and barked &quot;yes, yes&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The tactic is part of negotiation-for-gangsters 101: first you hit them with an outrageous request, and if they say yes, then you ask for more, because that means that you did not ask enough and they are desperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«<i>First Paulsen&#8217;s proposal was &#8220;domestic headquartered&#8221; and &#8220;mortgage and mortgage-related&#8221;</p>
<p>then it moved into a general foreign component, after all they have an effect on the US too, and a far broader potential selection of paper assets.</i>»</p>
<p>That means that the Congress rolled over and barked &#8220;yes, yes&#8221;.</p>
<p>The tactic is part of negotiation-for-gangsters 101: first you hit them with an outrageous request, and if they say yes, then you ask for more, because that means that you did not ask enough and they are desperate.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at Paulsen&#039;s handling of Frannie. It was another emergency that required the Treasury be granted almost unlimited power to (mis)manage the situation. Part of the bait was that the blank check would never have to be used, and if things got really bad, only $25 billion &quot;might&quot; be at risk. Now the estimates are $100 billion and climbing. Paulsen knew all along what was going to happen, but as usual, he mislead congress and the public.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It should be obvious that once again this is a bait and switch. MS and GS are no longer investment banks, folks, they are regular banks (the switch). Now you can feel confident that they and the financials are sound (the bait). Simply put, Paulson has known all along how bad the financial crises really is, and is once again misleading everyone. He is delaying until he can dump it on a new administration and fade to background, just like Greenspan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at Paulsen&#8217;s handling of Frannie. It was another emergency that required the Treasury be granted almost unlimited power to (mis)manage the situation. Part of the bait was that the blank check would never have to be used, and if things got really bad, only $25 billion &#8220;might&#8221; be at risk. Now the estimates are $100 billion and climbing. Paulsen knew all along what was going to happen, but as usual, he mislead congress and the public.</p>
<p>It should be obvious that once again this is a bait and switch. MS and GS are no longer investment banks, folks, they are regular banks (the switch). Now you can feel confident that they and the financials are sound (the bait). Simply put, Paulson has known all along how bad the financial crises really is, and is once again misleading everyone. He is delaying until he can dump it on a new administration and fade to background, just like Greenspan.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gets tiresome scrolling past the canned ham. Anyway I wanted to add that free markets work non-Marxist magic. Bid, ask, presto! Morgan Stanley has a new owner. Goldman&#039;s head office moves to Tel Aviv. Personally, I wouldn&#039;t give either of them a Federal license to take deposits -- but that doesn&#039;t I bought CDs at JPM and WFC because they looked like the strongest and safest places to park some money. Oh, and by the way, I agree that we all need to keep cash and some silver coin handy for the coming Wasssup? Personally, I plan to leave the country. But that&#039;s because I saw it coming half a dozen years ago. Be prepared and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gets tiresome scrolling past the canned ham. Anyway I wanted to add that free markets work non-Marxist magic. Bid, ask, presto! Morgan Stanley has a new owner. Goldman&#8217;s head office moves to Tel Aviv. Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t give either of them a Federal license to take deposits &#8212; but that doesn&#8217;t I bought CDs at JPM and WFC because they looked like the strongest and safest places to park some money. Oh, and by the way, I agree that we all need to keep cash and some silver coin handy for the coming Wasssup? Personally, I plan to leave the country. But that&#8217;s because I saw it coming half a dozen years ago. Be prepared and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: VoiceFromTheWilderness</title>
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		<dc:creator>VoiceFromTheWilderness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll know when things have begun to shift toward fixing problems, rather than creating them by watching the Wall St. Journal.  As soon as they stop lying, the world will be on the mend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll know when things have begun to shift toward fixing problems, rather than creating them by watching the Wall St. Journal.  As soon as they stop lying, the world will be on the mend.</p>
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