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	<title>Comments on: On the Level of Thought and Care That Went into the Paulson Plan</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~ On the Level of Thought and Care That Went into the Paulson Plan -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the first post 9-11 Habeas Corpus Challenge case that made it to the Supreme Court, the administration vociferously argued for the right to imprison ANYONE, indefinitely, without the right to counsel or a day in court if that person was declared an &#039;illlegal combatant&#039;, such declaration to be at the SOLE discretion of the President based on criteria KNOWN only to the President. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sound familiar?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ONLY thought and care that went into Paulson&#039;s proposal was to attempt a grab at ABSOLUTE power over the financial system and &#039;settle&#039; for as much of that absolute power as they could get. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For now ... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyone who thinks they are going to give up the White House are deluded.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If Palin is removed and a senior general (petraeus?) is put in her place - the end of &#039;America the Beautiful&#039; actually is near, and a whole lot of Americans are about to involuntarily give up their lives for the &#039;cause&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To vote republican, for ANY republican, THIS election cysle is an act of insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>~ On the Level of Thought and Care That Went into the Paulson Plan -</p>
<p>In the first post 9-11 Habeas Corpus Challenge case that made it to the Supreme Court, the administration vociferously argued for the right to imprison ANYONE, indefinitely, without the right to counsel or a day in court if that person was declared an &#8216;illlegal combatant&#8217;, such declaration to be at the SOLE discretion of the President based on criteria KNOWN only to the President. </p>
<p>Sound familiar?</p>
<p>The ONLY thought and care that went into Paulson&#8217;s proposal was to attempt a grab at ABSOLUTE power over the financial system and &#8217;settle&#8217; for as much of that absolute power as they could get. </p>
<p>For now &#8230; </p>
<p>Anyone who thinks they are going to give up the White House are deluded.</p>
<p>If Palin is removed and a senior general (petraeus?) is put in her place &#8211; the end of &#8216;America the Beautiful&#8217; actually is near, and a whole lot of Americans are about to involuntarily give up their lives for the &#8217;cause&#8217;.</p>
<p>To vote republican, for ANY republican, THIS election cysle is an act of insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who won the Nobel Prize for showing that the current debt-based financial system leads to exactly this kind of problem? Nobody. Which is my point exactly.&quot; -- alphabetzoo&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BINGO! Thank you for reminding us of the macro perspective. No one expects empty-suit KongressKlowns to understand economics, other than the street-level basics of a brown bag of Franklins slipped into a greased palm for services rendered.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But out of the tens of thousands of PhD Econs which have been extruded from our elite diploma mills, how many have ever realized that debt-based currency is an inherently unstable pyramid scheme? Perhaps the greatest Fed critic of all -- G. Edward Griffin, author of &quot;The Creature From Jeckyl Island&quot; -- majored in speech and communications.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Economics is a failed profession; a degenerate form of numerology cloaked in clanking medieval statistical armor.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anybody with a lick of sense can see that treating a debt crisis with a larger, fresh slug of debt is a brain-damaged policy. Until the fraudulent Bretton Woods II global exchange regime is thrown up against the wall, blindfolded, shot dead, and buried with a stake driven through its rancid heart, the feckless plans of the Paulsons and Bernankes are vanity, all vanity. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They will go down in history as late-empire currency debauchers, and nothing more. Not coincidentally, both have plenty of obsequious &#039;economists&#039; on their staffs to perform the voodoo rites of transmogrifying debt into ... well, brightly-colored pieces of paper having no intrinsic value. That&#039;s some mighty crappy magic -- not even entertaining anymore.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-- Juan Falcone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who won the Nobel Prize for showing that the current debt-based financial system leads to exactly this kind of problem? Nobody. Which is my point exactly.&#8221; &#8212; alphabetzoo</p>
<p>BINGO! Thank you for reminding us of the macro perspective. No one expects empty-suit KongressKlowns to understand economics, other than the street-level basics of a brown bag of Franklins slipped into a greased palm for services rendered.</p>
<p>But out of the tens of thousands of PhD Econs which have been extruded from our elite diploma mills, how many have ever realized that debt-based currency is an inherently unstable pyramid scheme? Perhaps the greatest Fed critic of all &#8212; G. Edward Griffin, author of &#8220;The Creature From Jeckyl Island&#8221; &#8212; majored in speech and communications.</p>
<p>Economics is a failed profession; a degenerate form of numerology cloaked in clanking medieval statistical armor.</p>
<p>Anybody with a lick of sense can see that treating a debt crisis with a larger, fresh slug of debt is a brain-damaged policy. Until the fraudulent Bretton Woods II global exchange regime is thrown up against the wall, blindfolded, shot dead, and buried with a stake driven through its rancid heart, the feckless plans of the Paulsons and Bernankes are vanity, all vanity. </p>
<p>They will go down in history as late-empire currency debauchers, and nothing more. Not coincidentally, both have plenty of obsequious &#8216;economists&#8217; on their staffs to perform the voodoo rites of transmogrifying debt into &#8230; well, brightly-colored pieces of paper having no intrinsic value. That&#8217;s some mighty crappy magic &#8212; not even entertaining anymore.</p>
<p>&#8211; Juan Falcone</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Raithel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Raithel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since everybody else is speculating, I&#039;ll tell you what I heard, though I can&#039;t recall where (MAYBE on Charlie Rose, but not sure): On the assumption that there is about $14 trillion of mortgages, and on the assumption that maybe 10% of that will go bad, maybe half of that will keep things moving. Seriously, I don&#039;t know enough to make this stuff up. I think I heard Sheila Baird (the FDIC HMFIC) say that approximately $250 billion of mortgages are currently in arrears. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On a relative note: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95099470&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a worth a listen - about how commercial paper keeps companies like Servicemaster (Terminix) functioning from day to day, and how mutual funds breaking the buck seized up commercial paper - you professionals already know this stuff, I put it here for the rest of us trolls...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since everybody else is speculating, I&#8217;ll tell you what I heard, though I can&#8217;t recall where (MAYBE on Charlie Rose, but not sure): On the assumption that there is about $14 trillion of mortgages, and on the assumption that maybe 10% of that will go bad, maybe half of that will keep things moving. Seriously, I don&#8217;t know enough to make this stuff up. I think I heard Sheila Baird (the FDIC HMFIC) say that approximately $250 billion of mortgages are currently in arrears. </p>
<p>On a relative note: <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95099470" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95099470</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a worth a listen &#8211; about how commercial paper keeps companies like Servicemaster (Terminix) functioning from day to day, and how mutual funds breaking the buck seized up commercial paper &#8211; you professionals already know this stuff, I put it here for the rest of us trolls&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any traders out there?  If some plan is agreed to this weekend...Who amongst us will be adding to stock positions on Monday or Tuesday?  I&#039;m not trying to make a point or  pushing a point of view necessarily.  But the question is a valid one..Does the solution put forth by the administration and by congress compel anyone out there to buy more stocks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any traders out there?  If some plan is agreed to this weekend&#8230;Who amongst us will be adding to stock positions on Monday or Tuesday?  I&#8217;m not trying to make a point or  pushing a point of view necessarily.  But the question is a valid one..Does the solution put forth by the administration and by congress compel anyone out there to buy more stocks?</p>
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		<title>By: SlimCarlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>SlimCarlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sckolnick is right -- they just needed a number that would send the message that &quot;We have the means to fix this.  We have the means to move markets.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Besides, as someone pointed out, the $700b isn&#039;t a budget, it&#039;s a headroom figure on the balance sheet.  It&#039;s significance is purely psychological.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And if you are going to do something like this, they&#039;re right: go big or go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sckolnick is right &#8212; they just needed a number that would send the message that &#8220;We have the means to fix this.  We have the means to move markets.&#8221;</p>
<p>Besides, as someone pointed out, the $700b isn&#8217;t a budget, it&#8217;s a headroom figure on the balance sheet.  It&#8217;s significance is purely psychological.</p>
<p>And if you are going to do something like this, they&#8217;re right: go big or go home.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They picked a number big enough to support a comprehensive marketing budget. 10% of 700 is 70 which should be enough to buy votes in Washington as well as lots of supportive bimbo commentators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They picked a number big enough to support a comprehensive marketing budget. 10% of 700 is 70 which should be enough to buy votes in Washington as well as lots of supportive bimbo commentators.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis B. Sckolnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis B. Sckolnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They picked a number big enough to scare.</description>
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		<title>By: macndub</title>
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		<dc:creator>macndub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did the conversation go, I wonder?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;How about a trillion?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Is that the real number?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Yeah.  Like the Iraq bill. A trillion then?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Too [obscene participle] big.  Never get approved.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;$500 billion, then.  Done.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Too small.  Not credible.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;$750?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Looks like we split the difference.  $700?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did the conversation go, I wonder?</p>
<p>&#8220;How about a trillion?&#8221;<br />&#8220;Is that the real number?&#8221;<br />&#8220;Yeah.  Like the Iraq bill. A trillion then?&#8221;<br />&#8220;Too [obscene participle] big.  Never get approved.&#8221;<br />&#8220;$500 billion, then.  Done.&#8221;<br />&#8220;Too small.  Not credible.&#8221;<br />&#8220;$750?&#8221;<br />&#8220;Looks like we split the difference.  $700?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all dubuque shit talkers. You know it will be there every post. Do yourselves and us a favor and just skip over it without feeling the need to talk shit about every one of his comments. Thanks!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all dubuque shit talkers. You know it will be there every post. Do yourselves and us a favor and just skip over it without feeling the need to talk shit about every one of his comments. Thanks!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dh, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for posting the Video of Congressman Fazio and for his excellent comments.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hirsch &amp; Vicki Gupta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dh, </p>
<p>Thanks for posting the Video of Congressman Fazio and for his excellent comments.</p>
<p>Hirsch &amp; Vicki Gupta</p>
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