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	<title>Comments on: Paulson Gives Fannie and Freddie a Tax Break Too</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/paulson-gives-fannie-and-freddie-tax.html#comment-14651</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulson only took 80% of the companies because he&#039;s an honorable guy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;he knows that the fix was in on this one.  members of his own government were running around the financial markets all year, trying to freak out central banks and start a run on the bank.  i have high conviction that folks in government were leaking to members of the investment community about what was going on behind the scenes.  it was the same cast of characters who tried to take down fannie with blatant lies that were leaked to the markets via the press in 2004/2005.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;rather than give in to the true believers who wanted to use the credit crisis to shut down the companies, paulson structured a transaction that solidified the companies, gave existing shareholders a chance to see this credit/political cycle through to the other side, and kept the ideologues at bay.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;lockhart and demarco can now slug it out with barney frank and chris dodd next year after paulson&#039;s left town.  that should be interesting to watch, esp since the dems will have 55 votes or more in the senate, even if mccain wins.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the two numbers that are the most important to this process - the cum loss estimates MS used to justify the action - ought to be the matter of public record.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;my analysis, based on vintage curves from the 06/07 books of business were that freddie was heading towards 20-25B of losses; fannie was probably $40-50B.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;both were easily absorb-able given the revenue bases and existing loan loss reserves, not to mention the fact that the timing of the cash outflows was over a 5-7 year period.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;this whole thing stinks - and not for the reasons that are being trumpeted in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulson only took 80% of the companies because he&#8217;s an honorable guy.</p>
<p>he knows that the fix was in on this one.  members of his own government were running around the financial markets all year, trying to freak out central banks and start a run on the bank.  i have high conviction that folks in government were leaking to members of the investment community about what was going on behind the scenes.  it was the same cast of characters who tried to take down fannie with blatant lies that were leaked to the markets via the press in 2004/2005.</p>
<p>rather than give in to the true believers who wanted to use the credit crisis to shut down the companies, paulson structured a transaction that solidified the companies, gave existing shareholders a chance to see this credit/political cycle through to the other side, and kept the ideologues at bay.</p>
<p>lockhart and demarco can now slug it out with barney frank and chris dodd next year after paulson&#8217;s left town.  that should be interesting to watch, esp since the dems will have 55 votes or more in the senate, even if mccain wins.</p>
<p>the two numbers that are the most important to this process &#8211; the cum loss estimates MS used to justify the action &#8211; ought to be the matter of public record.</p>
<p>my analysis, based on vintage curves from the 06/07 books of business were that freddie was heading towards 20-25B of losses; fannie was probably $40-50B.</p>
<p>both were easily absorb-able given the revenue bases and existing loan loss reserves, not to mention the fact that the timing of the cash outflows was over a 5-7 year period.</p>
<p>this whole thing stinks &#8211; and not for the reasons that are being trumpeted in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: ruetheday</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruetheday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that in 28 days, he&#039;ll be issuing an edict to the NYSE to suspend their rules on delisting for these two stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that in 28 days, he&#8217;ll be issuing an edict to the NYSE to suspend their rules on delisting for these two stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kady</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/paulson-gives-fannie-and-freddie-tax.html#comment-14618</link>
		<dc:creator>Kady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now that the feds has changed the rule about NOLs carrying despite a change of control, who says that some company can&#039;t buy F/F&#039;s existing NOLs?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, can&#039;t find the source, but I thought the trigger for the whole bailout this wkend was the discovery of deferred tax credits counting toward F/F&#039;s regulatory capital.  IOW, the Feds concluded that once the deferred tax credits were removed, F/F had in fact breached their capital requirements --&gt; conservatorship.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, in terms of constitutionality, where does the Fed get the pwr to commit a whole lot of American tax $ to this bailout?  Shouldn&#039;t this have had to go through Congress.  I&#039;m thinking that this must fall under emergency appropriations but can anyone shed further light?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now that the feds has changed the rule about NOLs carrying despite a change of control, who says that some company can&#39;t buy F/F&#39;s existing NOLs?</p>
<p>Also, can&#39;t find the source, but I thought the trigger for the whole bailout this wkend was the discovery of deferred tax credits counting toward F/F&#39;s regulatory capital.  IOW, the Feds concluded that once the deferred tax credits were removed, F/F had in fact breached their capital requirements &#8211;&gt; conservatorship.</p>
<p>Also, in terms of constitutionality, where does the Fed get the pwr to commit a whole lot of American tax $ to this bailout?  Shouldn&#39;t this have had to go through Congress.  I&#39;m thinking that this must fall under emergency appropriations but can anyone shed further light?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, company a cannot buy company b and use b&#039;s existing nol to offset its income. you cannot &quot;come to&quot; the (someone else&#039;s) loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, company a cannot buy company b and use b&#8217;s existing nol to offset its income. you cannot &#8220;come to&#8221; the (someone else&#8217;s) loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 9, 2008 &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here’s the deal boys and girls:&lt;br/&gt;1. The largest financial institution in the USA is now being run by politicians.&lt;br/&gt;2. There are no rules that apply to politicians.&lt;br/&gt;3. There will be no rules, whatsoever, applied to the financial conduct of the former Fannie/Freddie other than the “rules” of political expediency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Earl L. Crockett&lt;br/&gt;Santa Cruz, CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>September 9, 2008 </p>
<p>Here’s the deal boys and girls:<br />1. The largest financial institution in the USA is now being run by politicians.<br />2. There are no rules that apply to politicians.<br />3. There will be no rules, whatsoever, applied to the financial conduct of the former Fannie/Freddie other than the “rules” of political expediency.</p>
<p>Earl L. Crockett<br />Santa Cruz, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny, last week everyone was saying that the deferred tax asset was worthless. Treasury&#039;s action only ensures that its value doesn&#039;t change as a result of conservatorship. If it was worhtless before, it is still worthless now. But Treasury is sure going to some effort to protect the value of a worthless asset, isn&#039;t it?  And that&#039;s after using the worthlessness of the asset as part of the justification for the takeover. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Someone above suggests that this tax regulation was unconstitional. Guess what?  The taking of the GSE&#039;s from their shareholders without compensation was unconstitutional, too. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;LEH may be next, watch out capitalists! You thought only in Russia and Venezuela was it ok to take private property for the public&#039;s benefit without compensation. Wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny, last week everyone was saying that the deferred tax asset was worthless. Treasury&#8217;s action only ensures that its value doesn&#8217;t change as a result of conservatorship. If it was worhtless before, it is still worthless now. But Treasury is sure going to some effort to protect the value of a worthless asset, isn&#8217;t it?  And that&#8217;s after using the worthlessness of the asset as part of the justification for the takeover. </p>
<p>Someone above suggests that this tax regulation was unconstitional. Guess what?  The taking of the GSE&#8217;s from their shareholders without compensation was unconstitutional, too. </p>
<p>LEH may be next, watch out capitalists! You thought only in Russia and Venezuela was it ok to take private property for the public&#8217;s benefit without compensation. Wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t the NOLs an asset on the balance sheet?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If so, cutting them now, while the firms almost certainly face losses, would just increase the accounting deficit according to GAAP...  And therefore the cash that Treasury must inject &lt;i&gt;today&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Under the circumstances, this seems like a very reasonable move...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t the NOLs an asset on the balance sheet?</p>
<p>If so, cutting them now, while the firms almost certainly face losses, would just increase the accounting deficit according to GAAP&#8230;  And therefore the cash that Treasury must inject <i>today</i>.</p>
<p>Under the circumstances, this seems like a very reasonable move&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In essence, Paulson changed tax law so that the two lenders aren&#039;t paying more in taxes to the government as a result of that same government becoming their controlling &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Isn&#039;t this unconstitutional? God, I am so naive. Who is left to challenge it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In essence, Paulson changed tax law so that the two lenders aren&#8217;t paying more in taxes to the government as a result of that same government becoming their controlling </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this unconstitutional? God, I am so naive. Who is left to challenge it?</p>
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		<title>By: Carlomagno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlomagno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Paulson hadn&#039;t done this, F&amp;F would have breached their regulatory capital requirements. Now, I find it sick that deferred tax assets can be counted to meet regulatory capital requirements in the first place (this is comparable to the &quot;regulatory goodwill&quot; accounting shenanigans of the S&amp;L era) and I&#039;m not suggesting that Paulson&#039;s decision is to be commended, but I think this explains that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Paulson hadn&#39;t done this, F&amp;F would have breached their regulatory capital requirements. Now, I find it sick that deferred tax assets can be counted to meet regulatory capital requirements in the first place (this is comparable to the &quot;regulatory goodwill&quot; accounting shenanigans of the S&amp;L era) and I&#39;m not suggesting that Paulson&#39;s decision is to be commended, but I think this explains that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So here&#039;s my question.  Can Exxon buy up all the Freddie stock, take it over and use the loss carry &lt;br/&gt;forward (deferred tax assets) against earnings?  If they can, the shares might be valuable at 99 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here&#8217;s my question.  Can Exxon buy up all the Freddie stock, take it over and use the loss carry <br />forward (deferred tax assets) against earnings?  If they can, the shares might be valuable at 99 cents.</p>
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