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	<title>Comments on: Tim Duy: Economy Downshifting, Bailout or No</title>
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		<title>By: Lewis B. Sckolnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis B. Sckolnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what is the plan AFTER the 700B.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We need to get our banks out of the fee business. If we do I think we would see a lot more liquidity very soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what is the plan AFTER the 700B.</p>
<p>We need to get our banks out of the fee business. If we do I think we would see a lot more liquidity very soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem that the US did not have during the great depression was a shortage of crude oil. In fact, the US would become the worlds largest exporter of crude for a time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now the situation is quite different and any discussion of a US economic recovery must include the fact that the US imports 2/3 of the crude that it uses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One aspect of the huge demand for foreign crude in the US: if Bernanke decides to attempt to monetize the debt (and I doubt he can pull it off) then oil in dollars will rise accordingly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If oil prices rise dramatically in dollars I expect that oil will be denominated in some other currency or basket of curriencies...Then the US will be in for a very difficult if not impossible economic recovery effort.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;River</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem that the US did not have during the great depression was a shortage of crude oil. In fact, the US would become the worlds largest exporter of crude for a time.</p>
<p>Now the situation is quite different and any discussion of a US economic recovery must include the fact that the US imports 2/3 of the crude that it uses.</p>
<p>One aspect of the huge demand for foreign crude in the US: if Bernanke decides to attempt to monetize the debt (and I doubt he can pull it off) then oil in dollars will rise accordingly.</p>
<p>If oil prices rise dramatically in dollars I expect that oil will be denominated in some other currency or basket of curriencies&#8230;Then the US will be in for a very difficult if not impossible economic recovery effort.</p>
<p>River</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Dubuque&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As previously stated, the risks are profoundly deflationary.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As I have warned here for some time and online for months we face an absolute collapse in global demand caused by the absolute and total liquidation of the world&#039;s financial system.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Those who continue to rail against the dangers of imminent inflation only increase the risk of a global depression.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But that is likely unavoidable anyway, bailout or not.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The writing of history goes to the victors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matthew Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
<p>As previously stated, the risks are profoundly deflationary.</p>
<p>As I have warned here for some time and online for months we face an absolute collapse in global demand caused by the absolute and total liquidation of the world&#8217;s financial system.</p>
<p>Those who continue to rail against the dangers of imminent inflation only increase the risk of a global depression.</p>
<p>But that is likely unavoidable anyway, bailout or not.</p>
<p>The writing of history goes to the victors.</p>
<p>Matthew Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: rww</title>
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		<dc:creator>rww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The false causality will trouble our politics for years to come. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Housing was the only thing buffering the American consumer from the effects of ten years of declining wages.  With the housing bubble gone, a contraction was inevitable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But that won&#039;t be the lesson learned.  The lesson, instead, will be we need to bail out the big boys with big money on their say-so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The false causality will trouble our politics for years to come. </p>
<p> Housing was the only thing buffering the American consumer from the effects of ten years of declining wages.  With the housing bubble gone, a contraction was inevitable.</p>
<p>But that won&#8217;t be the lesson learned.  The lesson, instead, will be we need to bail out the big boys with big money on their say-so.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike said:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I have not heard much discussion about this, but I imagine I will as this crisis becomes more acute, is that we have witnessed a COLOSSAL mis-allocation of capital and resources into the building of houses. Houses are an unproductive asset, especially at over-inflated prices. If this country is to pay off its debt, don&#039;t we have to find a more productive means of generating capital?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;----------&lt;br/&gt;Tell you one more thing that is massively overbuilt - the financial services industry. And $700 billion just isn&#039;t going to fix that. It will only invite an even larger catastrophe down the road a bit. It will also open the door to demands for much larger bailouts, and soon.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The jig is up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have not heard much discussion about this, but I imagine I will as this crisis becomes more acute, is that we have witnessed a COLOSSAL mis-allocation of capital and resources into the building of houses. Houses are an unproductive asset, especially at over-inflated prices. If this country is to pay off its debt, don&#8217;t we have to find a more productive means of generating capital?&#8221;<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />Tell you one more thing that is massively overbuilt &#8211; the financial services industry. And $700 billion just isn&#8217;t going to fix that. It will only invite an even larger catastrophe down the road a bit. It will also open the door to demands for much larger bailouts, and soon.</p>
<p>The jig is up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a bit of off-topic, but if the treasury using $700B of taxpayer&#039;s money, does that mean that treasury is issuing $700B of t-bonds?  and if so, does that mean that it is reducing liquidity from the market???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a bit of off-topic, but if the treasury using $700B of taxpayer&#8217;s money, does that mean that treasury is issuing $700B of t-bonds?  and if so, does that mean that it is reducing liquidity from the market???</p>
<p>Tate</p>
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		<title>By: peterthepainter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterthepainter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dismal innit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dismal innit!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would you comment on whether a country that relies on &quot;consumption&quot; can truly &quot;grow&quot;?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It just seems to me that we&#039;ve wasted trillions of dollars propping up a false sense of prosperity over the past 30 years. Now, the bill is coming due. Any economy that relies on its citizens to &quot;consume&quot; their way to prosperity, cannot create meaningful wealth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have not heard much discussion about this, but I imagine I will as this crisis becomes more acute, is that we have witnessed a COLOSSAL mis-allocation of capital and resources into the building of houses. Houses are an unproductive asset, especially at over-inflated prices. If this country is to pay off its debt, don&#039;t we have to find a more productive means of generating capital?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for all your hard work!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>Would you comment on whether a country that relies on &#8220;consumption&#8221; can truly &#8220;grow&#8221;?</p>
<p>It just seems to me that we&#8217;ve wasted trillions of dollars propping up a false sense of prosperity over the past 30 years. Now, the bill is coming due. Any economy that relies on its citizens to &#8220;consume&#8221; their way to prosperity, cannot create meaningful wealth.</p>
<p>I have not heard much discussion about this, but I imagine I will as this crisis becomes more acute, is that we have witnessed a COLOSSAL mis-allocation of capital and resources into the building of houses. Houses are an unproductive asset, especially at over-inflated prices. If this country is to pay off its debt, don&#8217;t we have to find a more productive means of generating capital?</p>
<p>Thanks for all your hard work!</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy Rogers (bless him) &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtxSDMc87I&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;addresses the question of our God-given right to no bailouts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy Rogers (bless him) <a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtxSDMc87I" REL="nofollow">addresses the question of our God-given right to no bailouts</a></p>
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