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	<title>Comments on: Good and Bad News on Lehman Credit Default Swap Settlement</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Raithel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Raithel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred55, FairEconomist, et al: Thanks for the additional work; I&#039;d thought I&#039;d been left hanging with my questions at the end of the earlier post &quot;DTCC Claims ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred55, FairEconomist, et al: Thanks for the additional work; I&#8217;d thought I&#8217;d been left hanging with my questions at the end of the earlier post &#8220;DTCC Claims &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So FairEconomist, thanks for the concise summary there.  If, as you say payors can, then we have something like a 5% default rate for swaps if I&#039;m following you, which would suggest that the swaps were in fact properly designed.  We may hope as much.  Our problems are sufficient without a derivative fry up.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Something I would stress generally, which is hard to get in context given _last_ week, is that a significant element in a panic is just that, panic rather than substantive losses.  We have real asset losses in the financial system which will become more severe, and equities will come down because their prices do not reflect the economic context or their earnings.  But the dysfunction of the credit markets has a significant factor of, well, _panic_ because transactions are not happening to give a context for accurate assessment.  This is why the subterfuges of the public authorities to conceal solvency problems and suspend mark-to-market actions are so harmful:  they promote actual panic.  When assets need to come down, public authorities need to accept this and stabilize the build down, rather than oppose unwinds and blow the stress sideways.  Or that&#039;s my view. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; I&#039;m not in a condemnatory mood with regard to public financial authorities, but they need a wider perspective of their responsibilities than they have shown over the last five quarters.  May we reach that day without having to prise to great a volume of systemic wreckage from off our persons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So FairEconomist, thanks for the concise summary there.  If, as you say payors can, then we have something like a 5% default rate for swaps if I&#8217;m following you, which would suggest that the swaps were in fact properly designed.  We may hope as much.  Our problems are sufficient without a derivative fry up.  </p>
<p>Something I would stress generally, which is hard to get in context given _last_ week, is that a significant element in a panic is just that, panic rather than substantive losses.  We have real asset losses in the financial system which will become more severe, and equities will come down because their prices do not reflect the economic context or their earnings.  But the dysfunction of the credit markets has a significant factor of, well, _panic_ because transactions are not happening to give a context for accurate assessment.  This is why the subterfuges of the public authorities to conceal solvency problems and suspend mark-to-market actions are so harmful:  they promote actual panic.  When assets need to come down, public authorities need to accept this and stabilize the build down, rather than oppose unwinds and blow the stress sideways.  Or that&#8217;s my view. </p>
<p> I&#8217;m not in a condemnatory mood with regard to public financial authorities, but they need a wider perspective of their responsibilities than they have shown over the last five quarters.  May we reach that day without having to prise to great a volume of systemic wreckage from off our persons.</p>
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		<title>By: kfunck1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kfunck1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FairEconomist, thanks for your reply. Does the ISDA publish the results of the settlements? In other words, will we find out who owed who what, and if they indeed paid, or will we just all of a sudden see Bank X and Hedge Fund Y go boom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FairEconomist, thanks for your reply. Does the ISDA publish the results of the settlements? In other words, will we find out who owed who what, and if they indeed paid, or will we just all of a sudden see Bank X and Hedge Fund Y go boom?</p>
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		<title>By: FairEconomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>FairEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kfunck1: If my interpretation is right, we&#039;ll see 100b + 6b change hand during settlement on the 21st and yes, that&#039;s the end of the Lehman CDS business.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wouldn&#039;t say the CDS risk has been wildly overblown. This is a huge sum of money, and we&#039;re not yet sure everybody will be able to pay. It does indicate the situation is not as bad as many feared, but people were most upfront with the fact that we really didn&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kfunck1: If my interpretation is right, we&#8217;ll see 100b + 6b change hand during settlement on the 21st and yes, that&#8217;s the end of the Lehman CDS business.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say the CDS risk has been wildly overblown. This is a huge sum of money, and we&#8217;re not yet sure everybody will be able to pay. It does indicate the situation is not as bad as many feared, but people were most upfront with the fact that we really didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: kfunck1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kfunck1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the other 100 b in transfers has been reserved or accounted for, does that mean that we see ~100b + 6b unreserved change hands on the payment date? Is that when the musical chairs of margin calls finally stops, and we see who really nets out? I too, am confused as to the outcome of this. Has the CDS risk been wildly overblown, or is this just an aberration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the other 100 b in transfers has been reserved or accounted for, does that mean that we see ~100b + 6b unreserved change hands on the payment date? Is that when the musical chairs of margin calls finally stops, and we see who really nets out? I too, am confused as to the outcome of this. Has the CDS risk been wildly overblown, or is this just an aberration?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was studying this stuff in the 70&#039;s, they (Robert Merton) used the Central Limit Theorem to estimate probabilities in the tails, which is exactly where the CLT doesn&#039;t work. They are probably still doing the same thing, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was studying this stuff in the 70&#8217;s, they (Robert Merton) used the Central Limit Theorem to estimate probabilities in the tails, which is exactly where the CLT doesn&#8217;t work. They are probably still doing the same thing, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: FairEconomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>FairEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call this a &quot;confirmation&quot; because the source is the same organization (ISDA) for the earlier report. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, looking at the quote carefully suggests an interpretation of the 6 billion which makes sense: it&#039;s not the total net; it&#039;s the total net *which isn&#039;t already reserved*. So all the net transfers for settling at 13% (the market price before the auction) are going to be real numbers but excluded from the 6 billion). Since Lehman debt dropped about 5% (20 billion) that suggests the &quot;average&quot; Lehman debt goes through 3 transactions rather than the 60-something we&#039;ve been estimating.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3 transactions is not wildly different from the 2 you&#039;d expect from the official policy of market makers like JPB to offset all net trades. So that would be consistent with a reasonable market. The story would be, then:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Roughly 100 billion in net transfers, already reserved and accounted for.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;6 billion in new net transfers based on the settlement coming in low.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If these numbers are typical and - very importantly - the payors are generally creditworthy and have indeed reserved for their losses - then the cascading cross-default risk is probably manageable and we are likely to make it out of this with a functioning financial system. It  doesn&#039;t rule out an old-fashioned panic, but it does indicate that solvent insitutions can survive a panic rather than being sucked into a giant bankruptcy tangle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call this a &#8220;confirmation&#8221; because the source is the same organization (ISDA) for the earlier report. </p>
<p>However, looking at the quote carefully suggests an interpretation of the 6 billion which makes sense: it&#8217;s not the total net; it&#8217;s the total net *which isn&#8217;t already reserved*. So all the net transfers for settling at 13% (the market price before the auction) are going to be real numbers but excluded from the 6 billion). Since Lehman debt dropped about 5% (20 billion) that suggests the &#8220;average&#8221; Lehman debt goes through 3 transactions rather than the 60-something we&#8217;ve been estimating.</p>
<p>3 transactions is not wildly different from the 2 you&#8217;d expect from the official policy of market makers like JPB to offset all net trades. So that would be consistent with a reasonable market. The story would be, then:</p>
<p>Roughly 100 billion in net transfers, already reserved and accounted for.</p>
<p>6 billion in new net transfers based on the settlement coming in low.</p>
<p>If these numbers are typical and &#8211; very importantly &#8211; the payors are generally creditworthy and have indeed reserved for their losses &#8211; then the cascading cross-default risk is probably manageable and we are likely to make it out of this with a functioning financial system. It  doesn&#8217;t rule out an old-fashioned panic, but it does indicate that solvent insitutions can survive a panic rather than being sucked into a giant bankruptcy tangle.</p>
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		<title>By: Sev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been reported that Morgan Stanley needs 60 billion in cash to stay in the game this week. 2 things come to  mind.&lt;br/&gt;1.) I bet Mitsu makes the terms so unreasonable that the deal breaks.&lt;br/&gt;2.) The swaps may net out at 6 billion but any weak link in the chain causes massive damage to confidence and triggers new swaps.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any guesses on who the weak link is? &lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll give ya a hint. Re-read the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been reported that Morgan Stanley needs 60 billion in cash to stay in the game this week. 2 things come to  mind.<br />1.) I bet Mitsu makes the terms so unreasonable that the deal breaks.<br />2.) The swaps may net out at 6 billion but any weak link in the chain causes massive damage to confidence and triggers new swaps.</p>
<p>Any guesses on who the weak link is? <br />I&#8217;ll give ya a hint. Re-read the post!</p>
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		<title>By: SilverDollar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverDollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred55 et al,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you for the frank and substantive discussion about this complex subject. I pretend to no special knowledge regarding the markets, just a keen curiosity, and a desire to learn, but I must say, that if no one understands these instruments, or can explain how they work, then it&#039;s only logical that they be eliminated immediately from the financial landscape, pronot. Can anyone tell me whether these &quot;financial weapons of mass destruction&quot; are still being written, by whom, and why aren&#039;t these people regulated?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred55 et al,</p>
<p>Thank you for the frank and substantive discussion about this complex subject. I pretend to no special knowledge regarding the markets, just a keen curiosity, and a desire to learn, but I must say, that if no one understands these instruments, or can explain how they work, then it&#8217;s only logical that they be eliminated immediately from the financial landscape, pronot. Can anyone tell me whether these &#8220;financial weapons of mass destruction&#8221; are still being written, by whom, and why aren&#8217;t these people regulated?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Famed mathematician and hedge fund manager Nassim Taleb, who has written textbooks on dynamic hedging for John Wiley &amp; Sons and was called by recent Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman as one of the world&#039;s top intellectuals, squares off with Ken Rogoff in the following video, as hediscusses the fallacy of pretending Gaussian distributions in financial modeling is a competent strategy over time:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABXPICWjFIo&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is a short blurb on Taleb:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Taleb&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Famed mathematician and hedge fund manager Nassim Taleb, who has written textbooks on dynamic hedging for John Wiley &amp; Sons and was called by recent Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman as one of the world&#39;s top intellectuals, squares off with Ken Rogoff in the following video, as hediscusses the fallacy of pretending Gaussian distributions in financial modeling is a competent strategy over time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABXPICWjFIo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABXPICWjFIo</a></p>
<p>Here is a short blurb on Taleb:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Taleb" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Taleb</a></p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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