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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/hedge-fund-implosions-starting.html#comment-19121</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interpenetrating semiautonomous processes have, as a whole, organic characteristics which can help one grasp the capital system, including finance, as a larger process of contradiction driven REproduction (that while generally expanded can also become simple or contracted). &lt;br/&gt;IOW, so far as he goes, Matt is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interpenetrating semiautonomous processes have, as a whole, organic characteristics which can help one grasp the capital system, including finance, as a larger process of contradiction driven REproduction (that while generally expanded can also become simple or contracted). <br />IOW, so far as he goes, Matt is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, exactly, do tightly coupled biological systems have to do with the current US financial system? One is the result of millions of years of evolution while the other is merely the expression of a mutant species baser instincts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Reading this crap reminds me of Nietzsche&#039;s dictum: &quot;Man is more ape than any ape.&quot; Indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, exactly, do tightly coupled biological systems have to do with the current US financial system? One is the result of millions of years of evolution while the other is merely the expression of a mutant species baser instincts.</p>
<p>Reading this crap reminds me of Nietzsche&#8217;s dictum: &#8220;Man is more ape than any ape.&#8221; Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think your postings are well thought out and very informative.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I don&#039;t mind at all your &#039;background&#039; comments regarding your areas of knowledge. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt</p>
<p>I think your postings are well thought out and very informative.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t mind at all your &#8216;background&#8217; comments regarding your areas of knowledge. </p>
<p>Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I need to point out that higher yields from those tax free securities are probably a sign of stress, i.e, this is like Indy bank or WaMu offering higher rates as they search for cash.  I would keep thinking in terms of a liquidity trap and try to remain calm and stay out of debt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I need to point out that higher yields from those tax free securities are probably a sign of stress, i.e, this is like Indy bank or WaMu offering higher rates as they search for cash.  I would keep thinking in terms of a liquidity trap and try to remain calm and stay out of debt!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/hedge-fund-implosions-starting.html#comment-19064</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Anonymous, I will do my best.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now let&#039;s discuss the merits of the matter.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yves posited a thesis, as near as I can tell, that one of the issues we face is that our financial system is tightly coupled and that makes regulation much more complicated because of unintended effects.   Yves, forgive me if I have mischaracterized your view.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As supporting evidence, she pointed to the glory of the human body, which is not so tightly coupled as to suffer a heart attack when we stub our toe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I responded by saying that perception, speaking and endocrinology are just three quick examples of extremely tightly coupled systems within the human body.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I stated that what is far more accurate to say is that using logarithmic somatic buffering processes like the Weber-Fechner relation to regulate external shocks among VERY tightly coupled subsystems is a far more accurate description of the human body.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You asked me to confine my discussion to facts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Along those lines, I am a firm believer in peer-reviewed literature, whether it be in medicine or finance.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can provide numerous citations to the peer-reviewed medical literature to support my position that the human body is composed of numerous tightly coupled subsystems buffered and regulated by logarithmic processes such as the Weber Fechner relation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am unaware of any peer-reviewed work in the medical literature that supports the position that humans do not possess tightly coupled systems.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seems like a perfectly legitimate way to proceed, without acrimony or conceit, but merely by exchanging citations to the professional literature directly on point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I do not view this as a trivial discussion.  Yves went on at some length about the problems of tightly coupled systems in financial regulation and has drawn repeated analogies over the last month to the human body in that regard.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In closing, I would point out that this notion of regulatory &quot;buffering&quot; was one reason why the Fed chose to abandon targeting the monetary base in the early 1980s, because of the extreme volatility in interest rates that resulted. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is why, at the urging of the Kansas City Fed, they switched to Fed funds targeting instead, according to Gordon Sellon and others.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I will provide cites to the appropriate pages of the papers demonstrating this, if asked.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Anonymous, I will do my best.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s discuss the merits of the matter.</p>
<p>Yves posited a thesis, as near as I can tell, that one of the issues we face is that our financial system is tightly coupled and that makes regulation much more complicated because of unintended effects.   Yves, forgive me if I have mischaracterized your view.</p>
<p>As supporting evidence, she pointed to the glory of the human body, which is not so tightly coupled as to suffer a heart attack when we stub our toe.</p>
<p>I responded by saying that perception, speaking and endocrinology are just three quick examples of extremely tightly coupled systems within the human body.</p>
<p>I stated that what is far more accurate to say is that using logarithmic somatic buffering processes like the Weber-Fechner relation to regulate external shocks among VERY tightly coupled subsystems is a far more accurate description of the human body.</p>
<p>You asked me to confine my discussion to facts.</p>
<p>Along those lines, I am a firm believer in peer-reviewed literature, whether it be in medicine or finance.  </p>
<p>I can provide numerous citations to the peer-reviewed medical literature to support my position that the human body is composed of numerous tightly coupled subsystems buffered and regulated by logarithmic processes such as the Weber Fechner relation.</p>
<p>I am unaware of any peer-reviewed work in the medical literature that supports the position that humans do not possess tightly coupled systems.</p>
<p>Are you?  </p>
<p>This seems like a perfectly legitimate way to proceed, without acrimony or conceit, but merely by exchanging citations to the professional literature directly on point.</p>
<p>And I do not view this as a trivial discussion.  Yves went on at some length about the problems of tightly coupled systems in financial regulation and has drawn repeated analogies over the last month to the human body in that regard.</p>
<p>In closing, I would point out that this notion of regulatory &#8220;buffering&#8221; was one reason why the Fed chose to abandon targeting the monetary base in the early 1980s, because of the extreme volatility in interest rates that resulted. </p>
<p>This is why, at the urging of the Kansas City Fed, they switched to Fed funds targeting instead, according to Gordon Sellon and others.  </p>
<p>I will provide cites to the appropriate pages of the papers demonstrating this, if asked.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one expected hedge funds to be fully capitalized, then of course no one expected everything to blow up all at once where they needed to be fully capitalized. Same with their insurers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one expected hedge funds to be fully capitalized, then of course no one expected everything to blow up all at once where they needed to be fully capitalized. Same with their insurers.</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Unbelievable Yield&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100200967.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Telephone reps at mutual fund companies usually read from a script. Not the fellow I got Monday afternoon on Vanguard&#039;s line, name of Irwin. He was a live wire, speaking extemporaneously and with enthusiasm when I asked whether it&#039;s true that Vanguard Tax Exempt Money Market Fund (symbol VMSXX) yields more than 5%. In fact, on September 29, the fund&#039;s seven-day yield was a fat 5.18%.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I know, is this a typo?&quot; Irwin said, anticipating my next words by saying he &quot;jumped on that&quot; yield with his own money and got his brother in as well. &quot;I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ll get this break for three days or three weeks, but that&#039;s the seven-day yield,&quot; he went on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;&gt;  Interesting take on credit and money flow&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.S.  Yves, I like that sidebar that shows most recent posts, it really saves time!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Unbelievable Yield</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100200967.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100200967.html</a></p>
<p>Telephone reps at mutual fund companies usually read from a script. Not the fellow I got Monday afternoon on Vanguard&#39;s line, name of Irwin. He was a live wire, speaking extemporaneously and with enthusiasm when I asked whether it&#39;s true that Vanguard Tax Exempt Money Market Fund (symbol VMSXX) yields more than 5%. In fact, on September 29, the fund&#39;s seven-day yield was a fat 5.18%.</p>
<p>&quot;I know, is this a typo?&quot; Irwin said, anticipating my next words by saying he &quot;jumped on that&quot; yield with his own money and got his brother in as well. &quot;I don&#39;t know if you&#39;ll get this break for three days or three weeks, but that&#39;s the seven-day yield,&quot; he went on.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;  Interesting take on credit and money flow</p>
<p>P.S.  Yves, I like that sidebar that shows most recent posts, it really saves time!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, it&#039;s not a personal attack.  Calling you an egomaniacal, probably-untruthful blowhard would be a personal attack.  I didn&#039;t do that.  I pleaded with you to keep the crap out of your posts.  Give it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, it&#8217;s not a personal attack.  Calling you an egomaniacal, probably-untruthful blowhard would be a personal attack.  I didn&#8217;t do that.  I pleaded with you to keep the crap out of your posts.  Give it a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Dubuque&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anonymous-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is not clear to me what role personal attacks should play in a blog.  The record of this blog does demonstrate that not &quot;all&quot; people choose to ignore me.  I have received numerous compliments both publicly and privately.  On what basis do you speak for all other persons?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To address your point directly, I hope that the merits of my argument are persuasive.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m fully persuaded that people are composed of subsystems that are extremely tightly coupled.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the peer-reviewed science demonstrates that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
<p>Anonymous-</p>
<p>It is not clear to me what role personal attacks should play in a blog.  The record of this blog does demonstrate that not &#8220;all&#8221; people choose to ignore me.  I have received numerous compliments both publicly and privately.  On what basis do you speak for all other persons?</p>
<p>To address your point directly, I hope that the merits of my argument are persuasive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fully persuaded that people are composed of subsystems that are extremely tightly coupled.</p>
<p>I think the peer-reviewed science demonstrates that.</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, when will you ever learn that there is no point in going on and on about your credentials, even if you offer a disclaimer about whether the purpose is to boast or not.  Do you not grasp the fact that it is impossible to establish your credentials this way? Readers are not going even get to the question of whether the credential are meaningful since they don&#039;t know in the first place if you are even telling the truth about them.  Stop, already. Argument based on credentials is always a logical fallacy, but especially so on a blog. Your only credibility on a blog arises from the quality of your argument and evidence.  Surely not even you can think that somehow the teachers who taught your teachers matters to anyone?  So shut up about the that crap, no one cares, and it is annoying.  If this blog had an &quot;ignore&quot; feature on it, everyone would have used it on you a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, when will you ever learn that there is no point in going on and on about your credentials, even if you offer a disclaimer about whether the purpose is to boast or not.  Do you not grasp the fact that it is impossible to establish your credentials this way? Readers are not going even get to the question of whether the credential are meaningful since they don&#8217;t know in the first place if you are even telling the truth about them.  Stop, already. Argument based on credentials is always a logical fallacy, but especially so on a blog. Your only credibility on a blog arises from the quality of your argument and evidence.  Surely not even you can think that somehow the teachers who taught your teachers matters to anyone?  So shut up about the that crap, no one cares, and it is annoying.  If this blog had an &#8220;ignore&#8221; feature on it, everyone would have used it on you a long time ago.</p>
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